From: "Sébastien Gendre" <seb@k-7.ch>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 14:43:47 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <e090bf79d458dc8dc18d78d159b7fb3045147091.camel@k-7.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83zhb6grtq.fsf@gnu.org>
Having a Vanilla-mode are maybe wore difficult than it seems.
So, let's forget Vanilla-mode and see another solution who can be more
feasible.
Maybe we can take inspiration from the work of Spacemacs and Doom
Emacs: Offer an official pre-configuration of Emacs, on the side of
Emacs itself. This pre-configuration will be more focused on new users
and
new features when Emacs itself would be more focused on stability.
Here is, in more detail, what I have in mind.
On one side, continue to develop Emacs as today :
- Keep same defaults
- If a new features is proposed, check if it break any compatibility
or defaults
- If no, include it in Emacs
- If yes, try to modify this feature to not break any compatibility or
defaults and if its a success, include this feature in Emacs
- If it's not possible, include the feature but deactivate it by
default or make a package on ELPA
I don't think this side is different from what development on Emacs is
today. We can call this side Emacs vanilla, or Emacs core, or Emacs
base. Anything that reflect that this is the common base for everyone.
On another side, we can create a pre-configuration (like what
Spacemacs or Doom Emacs do) :
- All this pre-configuration is a set of files to be put inside the
.emacs.d to start using it (like Spacemacs)
- Main goal is to have a pre-configuration that provide what is
commonly expected from a modern text editor [1], out of the box
- Easy to use for the common tasks
- Enable some features that are not enabled by default
- Modify some defaults behaviours of Emacs to reflect more what new
users search in a text editor
- Can include some packages from ELPA (if no legal or licence issue)
- This pre-configuration can be done by a dedicated team who
collaborate with who work directly on Emacs
- The structure of this pre-configuration need to be made to not
conflict with user personal configuration (ex: avoid to put anything
in the init.el, use separate sub-directory inside .emacs.d, etc)
The actual Emacs show that the first side is possible. And projects
like Spacemacs and Doom Emacs show that the second side is also
possible. So I think this solution is feasible. And a direct
collaboration of the both side can make the process more easy.
A remaining problem is: How provide the pre-configuration easily and
out of the box for new users, without breaking long time Emacs users
configuration?
A possibility would be:
- When Emacs start, it check if a configuration already exist on the
user directory (~/.emacs.d or ~/.emacs)
- If yes, Emacs start
- If no, Emacs restore the pre-configuration inside ~/.emacs.d then
start
With this, new user can use the "modern, shiny, OOTB Emacs", out of
the box, by simply download and run it. And the long time user can
have a stable Emacs who don't break their configuration. For someone
who want to use Spacemacs, simply extract it as ~/.emacs.d before
start Emacs. And for someone who want to start Emacs without a
pre-configuration, simply create an empty directory for ~/.emacs.d.
Of course, the pre-configuration can be updated automatically with
Emacs. As the files of this pre-configuration are separated from user
specific configuration.
Open questions remain:
- Does the pre-configuration release cycle are synchronised with Emacs
or
completely independent?
- Does the user can block the pre-configuration update, to avoid
breaking its configuration based on a specific version of the
pre-configuration?
But I think this can be a realisable solution.
[1] List of features to be defined, but I imagine some out of the box
auto-completion, code navigation, functions documentation + functions
signatures + errors showing automatically, strong integration with git
(Magit?) and debuger, major containers engines (docker, kubernetes)
integration, etc. With a great support of the most populare
programming languages. And maybe have a special attention to integrate
with web technologies and tools for web developer.
PS: Or maybe we think to much about this problem. And making an LTS
versions of Emacs, like Ubuntu does, is the solution.
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2020-04-21 3:45 ` Stefan Monnier
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2020-04-22 3:19 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-22 3:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-14 15:06 "Why is emacs so square?" ndame
2020-04-15 3:00 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-15 4:33 ` ndame
2020-04-15 4:39 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-15 4:54 ` ndame
2020-04-15 4:56 ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.
2020-04-16 2:30 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-16 5:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16 16:27 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-16 18:26 ` Marcin Borkowski
2020-04-16 18:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16 18:54 ` Drew Adams
2020-04-16 17:32 ` Bob Newell
2020-05-14 2:32 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-14 15:53 ` Drew Adams
2020-04-16 5:02 ` Jorge Javier Araya Navarro
2020-04-16 21:31 ` Juri Linkov
2020-04-15 6:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-15 14:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-15 14:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-15 16:34 ` Ulrich Mueller
2020-04-16 10:14 ` Alex Bennée
2020-04-16 10:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16 16:26 ` Closing displays GTK+ bug (was: "Why is emacs so square?") Ulrich Mueller
2020-04-16 16:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17 2:25 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-17 9:20 ` Closing displays GTK+ bug Ulrich Mueller
2020-04-18 2:07 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-16 20:36 ` Log out hanging after X-forwarded emacsclient [Was: Closing displays GTK+ bug] Adam Sjøgren via "Emacs development discussions.
2020-04-16 21:57 ` James Cloos
2020-04-17 16:06 ` Adam Sjøgren via "Emacs development discussions.
2020-04-18 9:45 ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-18 17:20 ` Adam Sjøgren via "Emacs development discussions.
2020-04-19 13:13 ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-10 10:11 ` Log out hanging after X-forwarded emacsclient Adam Sjøgren via "Emacs development discussions.
2020-05-12 6:57 ` long-standing GTK bug (was: Log out hanging after X-forwarded emacsclient) andres.ramirez
2020-05-12 7:57 ` long-standing GTK bug Adam Sjøgren via "Emacs development discussions.
2020-05-17 11:40 ` Adam Sjøgren via "Emacs development discussions.
2020-05-17 22:05 ` Adam Porter
2020-06-09 2:37 ` Richard Stallman
2020-06-09 14:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-10 0:53 ` Richard Stallman
2020-06-10 14:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-08 11:51 ` Adam Sjøgren
2021-05-09 10:27 ` Robert Pluim
2021-05-09 15:11 ` Adam Sjøgren
2021-05-10 9:16 ` Robert Pluim
2021-05-10 10:00 ` Adam Sjøgren
2021-05-10 12:50 ` Robert Pluim
2021-05-10 13:10 ` Adam Sjøgren
2021-05-10 14:13 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-05-10 14:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-10 14:45 ` Robert Pluim
2021-05-10 15:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-11 9:09 ` Robert Pluim
2021-05-10 2:23 ` 황병희
2022-03-01 21:23 ` Adam Sjøgren
2022-03-02 14:12 ` Po Lu
2022-03-03 6:55 ` Madhu
2022-03-03 7:21 ` Po Lu
2022-03-03 9:43 ` Madhu
2022-03-03 10:11 ` Po Lu
2022-03-03 12:06 ` Madhu
2022-03-03 13:05 ` Po Lu
2022-03-03 15:31 ` Madhu
2022-03-03 13:22 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-03-03 13:30 ` Po Lu
2022-03-04 15:21 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2024-04-09 5:07 ` Log out hanging after X-forwarded emacsclient Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-04-16 23:23 ` "Why is emacs so square?" chad
2020-04-18 2:03 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-18 7:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-20 22:14 ` chad
2020-04-21 8:43 ` Po Lu
2020-04-21 8:44 ` Po Lu
2020-04-15 17:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-15 20:08 ` chad
2020-04-15 20:44 ` ndame
2020-04-16 5:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16 6:00 ` ndame
2020-04-16 14:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16 15:52 ` ndame
2020-04-16 16:25 ` ndame
2020-04-17 2:25 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-16 19:14 ` ndame
2020-04-16 19:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16 19:33 ` ndame
2020-04-16 20:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-16 20:30 ` ndame
2020-04-17 7:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17 7:28 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-17 10:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-21 23:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22 13:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 14:05 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-22 14:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 15:17 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-24 3:25 ` message-mode toolbars, was: " Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30 4:27 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-04-30 18:26 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30 18:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-30 23:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-01 6:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-30 22:16 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-04-30 22:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-11 1:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22 16:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22 16:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 17:04 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-22 17:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22 17:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 17:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22 18:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 18:07 ` chad
2020-04-22 18:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 18:45 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-23 9:42 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-23 15:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-23 21:46 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-23 20:36 ` Alan Third
2020-04-23 17:10 ` Juan José García-Ripoll
2020-04-22 17:32 ` chad
2020-04-22 16:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22 16:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 16:29 ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-22 18:02 ` Iñigo Serna
2020-04-22 18:05 ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-23 12:36 ` Po Lu
2020-04-17 7:36 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-17 9:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17 8:50 ` ndame
2020-04-17 9:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17 16:08 ` ndame
2020-04-18 2:04 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-18 9:53 ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-18 16:20 ` ndame
2020-04-19 6:02 ` Improving icons shipped with Emacs (was: "Why is emacs so square?") Po Lu
2020-04-19 6:52 ` Improving icons shipped with Emacs Po Lu
2020-04-19 7:04 ` Improving icons shipped with Emacs (was: "Why is emacs so square?") ndame
2020-04-19 7:06 ` Improving icons shipped with Emacs Po Lu
2020-04-19 7:14 ` ndame
2020-04-19 7:20 ` Po Lu
2020-04-19 7:56 ` ndame
2020-04-19 7:58 ` Po Lu
2020-04-19 2:20 ` "Why is emacs so square?" Richard Stallman
2020-04-19 2:33 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-19 13:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-20 2:18 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-20 14:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-21 1:52 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-21 4:40 ` ndame
2020-04-22 3:17 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-18 2:04 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-15 22:11 ` Bob Newell
2020-04-15 3:35 ` Bob Newell
2020-04-15 3:44 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-15 6:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-15 13:57 ` Tim Cross
2020-04-15 14:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16 17:03 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-16 17:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16 18:11 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-16 18:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-16 19:51 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-16 19:52 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-17 7:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17 13:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-17 14:13 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-17 14:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17 15:27 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-17 15:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17 15:52 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-17 17:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17 17:40 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-17 17:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17 17:57 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-17 18:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17 18:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-17 19:31 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-17 20:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-17 20:57 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-15 14:11 ` Andreas Schwab
2020-04-15 4:14 ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.
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