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From: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: mathias@mnet-mail.de, David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Tweaking t-m-m to make room for d-s-m
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 23:32:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e01d8a51003261532m250d7f9r1e4b1ce315f5bfca@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <F7E66A5A5F544FDE94D50AAB2C92B7AC@us.oracle.com>

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:
>
>> It is new users that should be treated with respect. All of them know
>> these CUA key bindings. All of them use them. (If they are not computer
>> illiterates.)
>
> But please do not think you
> have a monopoly on respect for new users.


I am glad I do not have that ;-)

I just wanted to make the real subject a bit more visible.


> But I'm not convinced that the only rationale for the current Emacs bindings is
> the sorry weight of legacy.


If  it were not for the CUA keys the Emacs bindings were a good
choice. (But I really do recommend sticky keys for those that use
them.)

It is not hard at all to understand the choices. But if CUA keys had
been used before Emacs then I guess Emacs key bindings would have
included them and looked quite a bit different.

I am still all for adding "skins" for this type of change.


> Why? Isn't it just as troublesome that C-z means `resume-frame'?


resume-frame hardly needs such an important (easy to type) key
binding. undo is far more common.


> I, for one, am not convinced that CUA or Viper is the best way to promote Emacs
> productivity.


CUA *and* Viper ;-)




  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-26 22:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <87sk7pzqsp.fsf@ambire.localdomain>
2010-03-24 20:20 ` d-s-m default: nil Ulf Jasper
2010-03-24 20:26   ` Deniz Dogan
2010-03-25  0:24 ` d-s-m default: Nil + explanation! (was: d-s-m default) Memnon Anon
2010-03-25  4:22   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-25  8:24     ` d-s-m default: Nil + explanation! David Kastrup
2010-03-25 13:03       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-25 13:18         ` David Kastrup
2010-03-25 13:27           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-25 14:21             ` Davis Herring
2010-03-25 14:42               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-25 15:04       ` Drew Adams
2010-03-25 16:27       ` Tweaking t-m-m to make room for d-s-m Stefan Monnier
2010-03-25 17:51         ` Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-26  7:04           ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-25 23:56         ` Drew Adams
2010-03-26  2:36           ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-26  8:28         ` mathias
2010-03-26 17:53           ` Drew Adams
2010-03-26 20:18             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 21:18               ` Drew Adams
2010-03-26 21:30                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 22:05                   ` Christophe Poncy
2010-03-26 22:07                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 22:23                       ` Drew Adams
2010-03-26 22:33                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 22:44                           ` Drew Adams
2010-03-26 22:59                             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 23:15                               ` Drew Adams
2010-03-26 22:30                       ` Christophe Poncy
2010-03-26 22:13                   ` Drew Adams
2010-03-26 22:32                     ` Lennart Borgman [this message]
2010-03-26 23:11                       ` Drew Adams
2010-03-26 23:23                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 23:35                           ` Drew Adams
2010-03-27 22:49                   ` Richard Stallman
2010-03-27 23:27                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-27 23:37                       ` Deniz Dogan
2010-03-27 23:53                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-28  0:28                           ` Deniz Dogan
2010-03-29 23:38                       ` Richard Stallman
2010-03-30  0:08                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-30  1:16                           ` Christoph
2010-03-30  5:31                           ` Richard Stallman
2010-03-30  6:38                             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-30  9:47                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-30 18:17                                 ` Chad Brown
2010-03-30 19:19                           ` Lluís
2010-03-25 20:48 ` d-s-m default: t Noah Friedman

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