From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: d-s-m default: Nil + explanation! Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:27:30 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87sk7pzqsp.fsf@ambire.localdomain> <8739zps45s.fsf@mean.albasani.net> <87mxxw6c7b.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87fx3o4k1j.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1269523692 24654 80.91.229.12 (25 Mar 2010 13:28:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:28:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 25 14:28:02 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nun6N-0002Hs-Oi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:28:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33839 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nun6M-0002OC-TV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:27:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nun6I-0002Nh-GV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:27:54 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=39637 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nun6H-0002NS-2s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:27:53 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nun6F-00051L-T1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:27:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-fx0-f225.google.com ([209.85.220.225]:52793) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nun6F-00051B-OC; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:27:51 -0400 Original-Received: by fxm25 with SMTP id 25so11106fxm.26 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 06:27:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=D8OrnEpHH/7L656TyX4OT/G8YO5oF7N5DaOOB5uxcZE=; b=A0+57eawJ26h9M/OVvbkUsJXk7ZCVoBpcxIYa3Z9Czjyzx9Ru8YXhROc7ZXtZLcJkZ 6DrOYPHapS3R0YaZJNwVOFktk057hbS07WHCvxZAjXDHUs8wXHe/9DRRaKWEN47bsoBA mGZPDCh3qNzLjemp2G0iUvcd2YwEIRQYnimmk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=ovjbsqGZY6dqWcUhWc1pTgyfnqFANXTDIGchXt72CcGfvOX8ajcvWG4WlWAa4tJdKo T0tPYYeZzqsFWXlzHToqyjh6JWgmJNGhvkOo0nuMER5UGuPak+lwwPy5rMzqu2TTsgBc 1PmH0nX81qV7LuiLehpRsaNbWymi/t6RgCzJw= Original-Received: by 10.239.177.77 with SMTP id u13mr1536790hbf.96.1269523670385; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 06:27:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87fx3o4k1j.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122650 Archived-At: On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 2:18 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > Lennart Borgman writes: > >> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:24 AM, David Kastrup wrote: >>> Lennart Borgman writes: >>> >>>> I see no reason that they should have to read something before they >>>> can do even the simplest editing. >>> >>> There is no point in reverting to polemics until we have even decided >>> what we are talking about. >> >> I do not think what I said is just polemics. > > So you seriously believe that currently it is not possible for a > prospective user to do even the simplest editing in Emacs. Yes I do. In simple editing I include that the visible region behaves as they do in other editing environment. That is something I have seen people using very frequently. But the CUA keys are not used equally often, but those who are used to edit much normally use them much. If I am kind I am not including CUA keys for basic editing ;-)