From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:29:38 +0100 Message-ID: References: <22603146-A346-4FC2-8D74-5D6047865C3A@mit.edu> <87r5nf8s7q.fsf@siart.de> <87pr2ygbii.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87tys9180s.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ocih158i.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1269272154 6388 80.91.229.12 (22 Mar 2010 15:35:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:35:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: David Kastrup , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 22 16:35:48 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NtjfQ-0002iF-39 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:35:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34623 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NtjfP-00062r-Fs for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:35:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NtjZx-0006cy-7M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:30:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=60816 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NtjZv-0006a7-N1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:30:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NtjZt-0004yB-KZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:30:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-fx0-f210.google.com ([209.85.220.210]:58526) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NtjZn-0004w8-Gh; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:30:00 -0400 Original-Received: by fxm2 with SMTP id 2so1119522fxm.26 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:29:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=mtRtuySAXJ07NHQNavkY539rBffjMJKyhrEXdrP94Lk=; b=Ujk/4urso1b/rKhP0rbTlkYvDp366hxge9yrYjfJOZC7Wcj74mgXpc8fnQWpuzK7kj +fgyvDAUBuzLewc9G8abDqD3UqwX83tzAcCFoM5OorcwDDjcoqzsj6C4IOPOGtUnXpsq oB5D6g3GZAoZmAdh4BqnGSjJyqIQ5xrkcHaw4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=leivODRiAxycXEmJQzTuM7fJTSk++XJVVT522ZytFv7xjxi/Yd+PrAnDld0CbvXqs+ V2Bu8von24mv8svTXv7F08QUy/HAK7q1rYPTqDiWLgRbv8tHR8WimCrjUf4/bps9+vP2 QhyzitYOh6IFX2XnLhXaaI+pJCgzN65N65TP8= Original-Received: by 10.239.181.73 with SMTP id l9mr681312hbg.55.1269271798204; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:29:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87ocih158i.fsf@catnip.gol.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122483 Archived-At: On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:04 AM, Miles Bader wrote: > Lennart Borgman writes: >>> Having multiple "types" of selection that are >>> sorta-the-same-but-sorta-different is just going to make Emacs harder t= o >>> use for everybody, and harder to learn for beginners. >> >> Could you please be more specific? This is a bit too general to be >> understandable. >> >> If you for example mean that shift selection should go away then I >> disagree. If you mean that we should work towards getting selection >> working the same whenever possible then I agree. > > No, I don't think shift-selection should go away. =C2=A0It's a fine featu= re, > helps interoperability, and does not interfere with other Emacs > features. > > Shift-selection _is_ inherently "special" in one way: =C2=A0the region is > deactivated by certain actions, where a t-m-m region wouldn't be. > This is an inherent part of the shift-select interaction model, as > defined externally to Emacs, so it's necessary. =C2=A0Given the way peopl= e > use shift-select, this does not seem a real problem (and there's obvious > visual feedback). > > But other than that, shift-selection should be the same as t-m-m-style > selection as far as possible -- for instance, there should not be a > different set of commands available for "shift-selected" regions than > there are for regions created using traditional Emacs commands. I think some of these problems have been addressed in cua-mode. Maybe it would be good to use what is in cua-mode more?