From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:41:24 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87ocitw2dl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <201003130001.o2D01FFQ003489@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <87vdd1yqe4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87eijjzrkd.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> <20100317143519.GB4381@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1268933334 5736 80.91.229.12 (18 Mar 2010 17:28:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:28:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, dann@ics.uci.edu, Stefan Monnier , acm@muc.de To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 18 18:28:48 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsJWZ-0007qX-TY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:28:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53500 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NsJWZ-0000u2-8K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:28:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NsIn6-0007OO-Oe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:41:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=39147 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NsIn5-0007N5-1M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:41:48 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsIn3-0001Jk-R1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:41:46 -0400 Original-Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.159]:46568) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsIn3-0001Ja-MW; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:41:45 -0400 Original-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so9584fga.12 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:41:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=BDm5oUOY6f01bHfJRm4bLy7Lbzeweu1I5CXYf73FX2s=; b=eSoaDS3Lk2dBbZ4NlzYhct5BQs8cRPGiaTXewlLwNVJMOCUNmFZHFNeJ+uMy4Szh0u 3bNAgm0D8SZ4kwhVmDk4pZkAtjQW4q7jKdgt4M9PJw4pop/RuVtHDvAduU0YTr5Kb4sO 3CgPn9MXgzXw9zQJv9xGGSNoJ7lAJmADr36YM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Meh6STUv6hLrK2nAailAcuUBo0afZCvi3HLXuxWLMfcEDogrFLghe4jrof4tteBZFl 6t2sdpt18wtg19WnuPFR76+NGbo27ZMMm9dr3dUHIglCInqAMwms0Ip9VDQJOoHfiuID rmxmN7RLAnjj4GLjeGWIIvmIYDbHbOq7Xw2jE= Original-Received: by 10.239.192.79 with SMTP id d15mr1415419hbi.52.1268930504302; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:41:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122177 Archived-At: On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0It does have many more effects. =C2=A0The most significant o= ne is that any > =C2=A0 =C2=A0self-inserting key typed when the region is active will caus= e the region > =C2=A0 =C2=A0to be deleted before the char is inserted. > > Is this true even when the region has been activated by keyboard commands= ? > If so, perhaps it is a bug. =C2=A0Perhaps the feature should only apply w= hen > you make the region using the mouse. I think it would be a very bad idea to introduce an invisible state this way. (I agree with Klaus here - if I do not misunderstand him.) > It would be useful to see precisely what the beginners said who > complained about the current defaults. =C2=A0What were their use cases? I think they simple want the behaviour that they are used to from editing taks in other application. (This requirement is the really big obstacle not only for Emacs but for the whole free software movement.)