From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: auto-indent in emacs Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:44:48 +0100 Message-ID: References: <6bd43112-0ffd-482a-be72-0cbb579ed1b8@o13g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> <87tywc9gpi.fsf@ergodik.univ-brest.fr> <87eingm00k.fsf@gmx.de> <200911301726.nAUHQ0nf014925@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <35102.130.55.118.19.1259608819.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <200911301923.nAUJNIBg015886@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <57374.130.55.118.19.1259609973.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1259611782 11624 80.91.229.12 (30 Nov 2009 20:09:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:09:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Sebastian Rose , Dan Nicolaescu , emacs help , Emacs-Devel devel To: herring@lanl.gov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 30 21:09:35 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NFCYu-00075j-Rk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:09:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45434 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NFCYt-0002cn-DZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:09:31 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NFCBN-0003EX-FP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:45:13 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NFCBJ-0003DX-Lj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:45:13 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=54745 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NFCBJ-0003DQ-Dv; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:45:09 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-yx0-f191.google.com ([209.85.210.191]:42510) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NFCBJ-0003M2-1q; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:45:09 -0500 Original-Received: by yxe29 with SMTP id 29so3629549yxe.14 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:45:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=eGwZJQsJ09UQfO96jEZEWLjxq5+mOSNYz4G1++lc+Og=; b=NHxFRyOn6CPEo2Kg/BeOujQjteV10+agyYW3RFPC8G0a4OrUdedlh8OFlhjkyMEzvP YdLDnHm1k6EK6IE4Xym1EL3P0aLgsDb86rXFAkYN3vC1fwMgSgwhxkRgNGAY+Ewbswwj /DyOTh3cNJUUkENc36eveMwug83Xp0k7fSiUk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FX3WznYCfru8fPdUoqeo6O1rH2DMK+V6vBAVCXB/lJCM97t/gJe9z1keYOBcc/6n9Q ywys91bodell80QTug4g6+tddykTX1hEhpwmh/njReRUYWeFP5eelSEuE0bOgzfRNV3V ZyWNfRFY3Dx0Y+mmJwAgWiCfMPKx6sw9JdzPA= Original-Received: by 10.100.29.11 with SMTP id c11mr2019317anc.12.1259610308175; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:45:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <57374.130.55.118.19.1259609973.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117992 gmane.emacs.help:70275 Archived-At: On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Davis Herring wrote: > > Well, either `indent-region' is important enough, even in the presence of > TAB/TMM, to get a keybinding (currently C-M-\), in which case it's > worthwhile to consider whether certain keyboards have difficulty > generating that event, or it's not, in which case we can just get rid of > the keybinding altogether now that TMM is the default and have one more > available for user customization (for those users on whose keyboards it i= s > a convenient chord). =C2=A0Saying "it's a bad keybinding but we really do= n't > want it anyway" strikes me as nonsensical. I agree. Let us get rid of C-M-\. And I think we should get rid of the other troublesome keybindings too, see http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/AltGrKey where I have listed those now. If some of them are important (and I think some of them are) they should get new key bindings.