From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: Beeping Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 07:48:07 +0100 Message-ID: References: <912155b0911230837i48326730m82e0d54d4004be59@mail.gmail.com> <87y6lxdvnl.fsf@mandingo.thematica.it> <87zl6dgjt1.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <874oolarvt.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87aay91k9j.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> Reply-To: Lennart Borgman , 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1259305674 12989 80.91.229.12 (27 Nov 2009 07:07:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 07:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong , Giuseppe Scrivano , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Per =?UTF-8?Q?Starb=C3=A4ck?= , 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 27 08:07:46 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NDuvh-00072F-SL for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:07:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36879 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NDuvh-0007XG-6z for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:07:45 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NDuvW-0007Vh-WB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:07:35 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NDuvO-0007TK-Nk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:07:33 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52753 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NDuvO-0007Sm-1U for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:07:26 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:47041) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NDuvN-00037Z-GN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:07:25 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nAR77MqQ022190; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:07:22 -0800 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id nAR6t5Dg020420; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:55:05 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:55:05 -0800 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Lennart Borgman Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 06:55:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 1305 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 1305-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1305.125930451419958 (code B ref 1305); Fri, 27 Nov 2009 06:55:05 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1305) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 27 Nov 2009 06:48:34 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from mail-yx0-f176.google.com (mail-yx0-f176.google.com [209.85.210.176]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nAR6mWC5019955 for <1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:48:33 -0800 Original-Received: by yxe6 with SMTP id 6so1149240yxe.13 for <1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:48:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tQCNmb7dSzQJJ3z0Z6k7XuBLnUZqIplt671Tt4qWnQQ=; b=H0T305KXsIA5N8PWEMPFr2lL6YrNmhvqDUTAuNWKF1YbQ7qEMIAOwBRfY1RUCkoCdF uiPRIJEXQkk/1B54DYdFy/WSE9CCL1sFm2iSPDHHJWKS3i73zOMQV2Gj7KL5PR3OLg37 EyB+MUfsQD5leY16RNHwtcxru6dNEqKgELFAw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=D8ib89cCOaqEW8L5W029E/mgm1xfMFNnHQrm/oGxVqXZmnZpu3enxX6OvQUaIvqOUf mtQwxv3ZfNHT1hCVIZDBr9aQE0AvBo/CnjzTaox9jJeRTivlWAPDGeQAvnAnOErjJmNa pvBR2SckZNiaSvwL/xbf+fprNn4KlE0XuoZTA= Original-Received: by 10.100.130.6 with SMTP id c6mr175178and.20.1259304507080; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:48:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:07:33 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:32977 Archived-At: 2009/11/27 Stefan Monnier : >> Maybe the problem is a bit different. There is currently no dedicated >> mechanism in Emacs to go to command level. Instead a lot of functions >> throws an error when they want to go to command level. > >> Could we not implement something like (command-level) akin to (top-level= )? > > I think there's a misunderstanding here. =C2=A0Emacs usually tries to mak= e > sure commands do *something*, because it' good to return feedback. > So when they don't, they often like to beep to indicate that they > couldn't do what they were asked to do. As an example of what I mean look at what windmove-left does when there is no window to the left. It then raises an error. If debug-on-error is true I then get a chance to debug my behaviour. I am not sure that makes sense. The behaviour is different, but I think it should be similar to what scroll-down/up does when it reaches the border. I think there should be a unified behaviour. Making the visual bell default seems good, but why not implement it as `command-level'? > I dislike the beep, so I always use the visual-bell instead. =C2=A0I don'= t > think turning the bell into nothing at all is a good option. =C2=A0I'd ra= ther > try and address the reasons that prevent the visual-bell from being > the default. > > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Stefan >