From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bad choice of license in BzrForEmacsDevs Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:02:25 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87d4399auk.fsf@red-bean.com> <87hbsl7wr0.fsf@vh213601.truman.edu> <87iqcy8816.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1259193860 29862 80.91.229.12 (26 Nov 2009 00:04:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:04:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alex Schroeder , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117791 Archived-At: I am cc:ing Alex so he can take part. On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 1:05 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull w= rote: > Richard Stallman writes: > > =C2=A0> allowing GPLv2 and not GPLv3 is a very bad example. =C2=A0We shou= ld not > =C2=A0> set a bad licensing example. > > Please get your lawyer to look at it. =C2=A0It was the need of XEmacs for= a > license compatible with the unnamed, unversioned documentation license > we inherited from Lucid (which presumably inherited it from Emacs 18 > and Emacs 19) that inspired the multiple licensing. =C2=A0Alex wanted to > generalize it, so the *intent* is that any license that grants the > listed rights and requires that they be granted to those "downstream" > of the licensee may be used. =C2=A0GPLv3 clearly qualifies by the intent. > > I am fairly sure that Alex would be happy to modify the permission > notice based on a lawyer's advice on how to accomplish his intention. > > =C2=A0> In addition, I wonder about the other pages in that wiki have a > =C2=A0> similar license. > > All pages in the wiki are licensed that way. > > I spot-checked one of the major programs distributed on the wiki, Drew > Adams's "icicles". =C2=A0The pages describing the program say it is "GPL = v2 > or later" although the pages have the standard permission notice for > the wiki. =C2=A0The libraries themselves contain the standard permission > notice, for "GPL v2 or later". > > So I don't think there is a general problem with programs; anything > large enough to have a separate file probably has the standard > notice. =C2=A0Snippets of code included directly in a page will have the > page's license, of course, but AFAIK nobody using the wiki believes > that the GPL is only permitted as version 2. =C2=A0(I understand that wha= t > a court says may vary; please help Alex get the legal advice he needs > to accomplish his intention.) > > > > >