From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bad choice of license in BzrForEmacsDevs Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:02:37 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87d4399auk.fsf@red-bean.com> <87hbsl7wr0.fsf@vh213601.truman.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1259186624 8694 80.91.229.12 (25 Nov 2009 22:03:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:03:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 25 23:03:37 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NDPxY-000550-2e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:03:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35090 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NDPxX-0000y4-Md for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:03:35 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NDPx6-0000ad-7B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:03:08 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NDPx1-0000VW-Gt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:03:07 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37899 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NDPx1-0000VL-Aa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:03:03 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-yw0-f172.google.com ([209.85.211.172]:55608) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NDPwy-0005oG-26; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:03:00 -0500 Original-Received: by ywh2 with SMTP id 2so157416ywh.27 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:02:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8CityA6ovOWw9vIbAk/fPgywFSsuZRecKrFZLkDMCwc=; b=PK54hHpIWC4DESWWvbIczfb/Yp3zEefJsoTXSgy9pgZdFVw+rPU7J5uLzSNlwU5OcX bxnjpw8DHDEAu82rcUuuXyIc08wXuTCsZvs6in4qU9C84LQASNBE7K+w0XE8680eOKK2 Y/VM0O1KeQ0Da2ZjWpLvKWAx05s3rftZXz6xU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eLxqL/kAo0nGiNVc4bA0cy3kORq5aNYkbhsusUU4KbqhaWO+ECmzh94eHRSPIb6d+T O4X6FiUBDCRoPVyahKVwzb7UJpM/TL/98+mfWDz/yRF6KPTvDeFwSyaC3g/zvweW/b64 qBIFnjH3AK9b9YPp2qKWwhj0QGLtGmxqs3nbM= Original-Received: by 10.101.207.1 with SMTP id j1mr6076594anq.39.1259186577101; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:02:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117777 Archived-At: On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> In addition, I wonder about the other pages in that wiki have a >> similar license. =C2=A0Are there programs in the wiki which are licensed >> this way, allowing GPLv2 and not GPLv3? > >> That would be a bad problem. =C2=A0Can someone tell me if there are any? > > There might be some, but if they rely on Emacs-23 features, such a licens= e > would be illegal, AFAIK. Alex is not subscribed here. Here is the answer I got from Alex when I asked him to comment: On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Alex Schroeder wrot= e: > I don't follow it. I think the people involved did not read the entire > blurb: > > This work is licensed to you under version 2 of the GNU General Public > License. Alternatively, you may choose to receive this work under any oth= er > license that grants the right to use, copy, modify, and/or distribute the > work, as long as that license imposes the restriction that derivative wor= ks > have to grant the same rights and impose the same restriction. For exampl= e, > you may choose to receive this work under the GNU Free Documentation > License, theCreativeCommons ShareAlike License, the XEmacs manual license= , > or similar licenses. > > -- > Sent from a mobile phone. Sorry for being terse. > > On 25.11.2009, at 19:58, Lennart Borgman wrot= e: > > Hi Alex, > > Are you following this thread? > > Best wishes, > L > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Giorgos Keramidas > Date: Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:44 PM > Subject: Re: Bad choice of license in BzrForEmacsDevs > To: Karl Fogel > Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:30:27 -0600, Karl Fogel wrot= e: > > Richard Stallman writes: > > http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/BzrForEmacsDevs > > allows GPL version 2, but not the current version. > > This is not a good thing. Would the author(s) please change it to > > allow future versions of the GNU GPL as well? The documentation we > > recommend to Emacs developers has to set a good example for licensing > > as well as have useful information. > > I wrote most of that page, and would be happy to change "2" to "3" in > > the blurb, but don't see how to do so. It appears to be an > > administrative function of the EmacsWiki site, and I'm not sure how to > > change it, nor whether it can be changed on a per-page basis. > > EmacsWiki uses the Oddmuse engine; a Wiki engine written in Perl. > > Indeed, as you have guessed, the license text is a configuration setting > in the Perl backend of the Wiki (a configurable footer for all pages). > It is common for all the pages of the Wiki, so you would have to contact > Alex Schroeder to install a change and it would affect all the pages of > the Wiki. >