From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs for new users Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:05:41 +0100 Message-ID: References: <912155b0911230837i48326730m82e0d54d4004be59@mail.gmail.com> <4p4rt6-2ne.ln1@lesharris.com> <87vdh19cls.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1259014533 27779 80.91.229.12 (23 Nov 2009 22:15:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:15:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Les Harris , Chong Yidong , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 23 23:15:26 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NChBt-0003S9-RD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:15:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32833 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NChBt-0001Cb-2z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:15:25 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NCh8Z-0007oi-GR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:11:59 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NCh8V-0007mS-Rj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:11:59 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=59045 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NCh8V-0007mA-Gi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:11:55 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-yx0-f191.google.com ([209.85.210.191]:48704) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NCh8V-0006VK-5f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:11:55 -0500 Original-Received: by yxe29 with SMTP id 29so15490792yxe.14 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:11:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZwMkS6pr4UhB3BoU8BjwkNui9UhbX+uiEUR+UzhQhBI=; b=lWT96o2KQrl2pBgW6mrnw3ZoMXbGUcRpcDxbZ/D6/Ez65gnZw0jo0jKjzgNaluCMnO 9C9aDNmDH2zj2if0Z/LCMzd5Lf8jl3KqEUzt+h090r5tynmZVg9TzKYy2Q+V64IV6yzl glkukX3eqLnXxygBBM3EH6erzxV3EmkXtgiEc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Mf4mBOYf/DCBiWpxlCa9U16kr+rjNNGgbIp6tX+WDLPthgwtgpkZvLBa6mlcMVWQ4Z awgMCY1nVytF1F8kgraiVVfZYspfCxX3a1E97T7drFRRKyVbDvGgwC97JxrLwqtcPO8e /2C0cbMlFwhuZtY6Kr9Wyvz/XJ1NL3aDEaqLs= Original-Received: by 10.101.2.22 with SMTP id e22mr4239903ani.145.1259013961176; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:06:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117641 Archived-At: On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Putting cua-mode on the menus was a good step towards making it easier >> for newcommers. Could we perhaps also apply my patches that shows C-c, >> C-x etc on the edit menu when cua-mode is on? > > FWIW I doubt it'd be very useful: the whole point of using CUA is so > that users can use the bindings they already know. =C2=A0The key here bei= ng > "they already know", so placing those bindings in the menu is > not necessary. Perhaps it will instead teach them that Emacs is a bit unreliable - if you do not do as told. For all other keybindings there use to be relevant keybinding hints in the menus, but if you use cua-mode... then help yourself. Excuse the joke. But it is a little bit funny that I just said that cua-mode is not supported that much because it is not default and that makes it more difficult for newbees. It is a small thing, of course, but it is kind of a "welcome, we try to support those that prefer CUA key bindings too". In this sense I think it is useful.