From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#3022: 23.0.92; triangle images in Customize buffers are just plain bad Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 03:53:31 +0100 Message-ID: References: <877hub38qf.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83CEEFF8DC7149C1A89D91B6DD5BF312@us.oracle.com> <87k4y5o9r6.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Reply-To: Lennart Borgman , 3022@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1257476869 18147 80.91.229.12 (6 Nov 2009 03:07:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 03:07:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong To: Juri Linkov , 3022@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 06 04:07:41 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1N6FAo-0005DL-7l for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:07:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33503 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1N6FAn-0005wC-S4 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:07:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N6FAb-0005rg-7i for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:07:25 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N6FAW-0005qa-9F for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:07:24 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33984 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1N6FAW-0005qR-2L for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:07:20 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:53504) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N6FAV-0000Fn-GJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:07:19 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nA637Gln021583; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:07:17 -0800 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id nA6303Tu020088; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:00:03 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:00:03 -0800 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Lennart Borgman Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:00:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3022 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 3022-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B3022.125747603819369 (code B ref 3022); Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:00:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 3022) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 6 Nov 2009 02:53:58 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from mail-yx0-f190.google.com (mail-yx0-f190.google.com [209.85.210.190]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nA62ru2q019356 for <3022@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:53:57 -0800 Original-Received: by yxe28 with SMTP id 28so598431yxe.19 for <3022@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:53:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ieaJR4QlhbVWDZi6sBuAFRzrDyw9avrTdOvJDwjwGWY=; b=xEOUVrCylwA0NV0r0awt2XmldzTdmE4wPfggp9OKCGK8J9+fPwxr7AC5EWMwTnVALX vlqeqqcdmPeOw8BqgNyAXaBuFJMyZr60UOzj4pKwNIZFbU80n1zekXbwh/76l46eSOWf +kxqOgf2fsPstwEcBhoUlUAa0tx7S+f0M/77w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qD/F7urKgkqzEOrwtR2pQsz2GRERoXa5Tesq0CflSuwRLit4WuUsLGE/Xjlz9wovto p8tLInRynyLeXl+NtAqzsvW2RRc6Urmfj2J/g4ERmgPXNqsEasN1xk9rC7DWnWWFOBwc 6v6/NIskzIirFKIA+BSyoVimB51jO+RZYN/6I= Original-Received: by 10.101.106.24 with SMTP id i24mr3595246anm.141.1257476031049; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:53:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87k4y5o9r6.fsf@mail.jurta.org> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Resent-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:07:24 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:32442 Archived-At: On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:50 AM, Juri Linkov wrote: >>> >>> This is a very standard user interface idiom, known as "disclosure >>> triangles". >> >> Calling it by name and "very standard" doesn't improve anything. It was = I who >> suggested the idea in the first place. The idea is fine, as I said alrea= dy. >> >> "The current _effect_ is bad." That's the point: it is simply not done r= ight. >> The result is confusion and easily missing information. See above for de= tails. > > From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disclosure_widget > > =C2=A0The state of the widget is often signified by a label with a triang= le > =C2=A0next to it, pointing sideways when it is collapsed and downward whe= n > =C2=A0it is expanded (corresponding to the widget's current state), or > =C2=A0a button with an arrow pointing downward when it is collapsed and > =C2=A0upward when it is expanded (corresponding to how the widget will > =C2=A0change state if the button is clicked). I think the triangles are rather standard, but refering to them with "Show" is not so very common outside of Emacs, but here is an example from a customize buffer: Majmodpri Sort After Load: (triangle) State: HIDDEN, invoke "Show" in the previous line to show.