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From: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
To: grischka <grishka@gmx.de>
Cc: "Miles Bader" <miles@gnu.org>, "Jan Djärv" <jan.h.d@swipnet.se>,
	"Stefan Monnier" <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Scrollbar thumbs
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:32:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e01d8a50911050732v467502c9qc48a2905c2541b90@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <A824EDEE30914138A68236FA21190C56@editkapc>

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 4:16 PM, grischka <grishka@gmx.de> wrote:
>> In any case, given how widespread the problem is, it's clear that we
>> can't expect the toolkit to adapt to Emacs.  And since nobody has found
>> a way yet to make Emacs DTRT, all we can do is provide various
>> workarounds, which is what we've done until now.  But what I suggest is
>> that instead of each toolkit backend providing its own workaround, we
>> should implement the workarounds in the generic code and even implement
>> several of them and let the user choose which one suits him best.
>>
>>
>>       Stefan
>
> I guess it is a good idea. If you want to get rid of stuff, throw it all in
> one place, first.
>
> Seen that nowadays the gui-dyslexics tend to become a more rare species and
> the generation simply tends to loose the ability to understand that a
> non-linear, moreover non-contiguous and even non-complementary geometrical
> relation between scrollbar and scrollable content can be anything else than
> an accumulation of design flaws.


Maybe the gui-dyslexics are getting fewer, but did not Stefan in the
discussion from some years ago point to that the gui part is broken
due to the incapability of some of the scroll bar api:s?




  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-05 15:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-02 10:41 Scrollbar thumbs (was: Customizing the mode line) grischka
2009-11-02 11:21 ` Scrollbar thumbs Miles Bader
2009-11-03  0:48   ` grischka
2009-11-03  9:27     ` David Kastrup
2009-11-04  0:09     ` Miles Bader
2009-11-04  9:51       ` grischka
2009-11-04 11:18         ` joakim
2009-11-04 19:29           ` Jan Djärv
2009-11-04 20:57             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-05  1:18               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-11-09 23:14                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-11-05  9:23               ` Jan D.
2009-11-05 13:59                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-05 15:16               ` grischka
2009-11-05 15:32                 ` Lennart Borgman [this message]
2009-11-05 15:35                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-05 16:07                 ` David Kastrup
2009-11-05 23:55                   ` Jason Rumney
2009-11-06  0:31                     ` Miles Bader
2009-11-06  3:10                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-06  4:37                       ` Miles Bader
2009-11-06  8:42                     ` David Kastrup
2009-11-06  8:55                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-02 14:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03  0:32   ` grischka
2009-11-03  1:18     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03  5:37       ` grischka
2009-11-03 13:38         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03 21:10           ` grischka
2009-11-03 23:00             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03 10:02   ` joakim
2009-11-05  9:21     ` Jan D.
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-11-07 11:50 grischka
2009-11-07 16:38 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-07 17:47   ` David De La Harpe Golden
2009-11-03 16:36 grischka
2009-11-03 17:13 ` David Kastrup
2009-10-30 11:18 Customizing the mode line Eli Zaretskii
2009-10-30 13:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-10-31  6:09   ` Manoj Srivastava
2009-10-31 20:38     ` Scrollbar thumbs (was: Customizing the mode line) Stefan Monnier
2009-11-01  3:11       ` Scrollbar thumbs Miles Bader
2009-11-02  6:55         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-02  7:41           ` Jason Rumney
2009-11-02 14:10             ` Stefan Monnier

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