nXML questions

nXML questions

[Sam Steingold]

Now that nXML is the default xml mode instead of the old sgml-mode, I am 
wondering it its manual could be brought up to date, e.g., answering the 
question which bothers me right now:

how do I tell nxml that I have a compound docbook document consisting of a few 
files included into the master file using system entities, when editing a 
component file? nxml does not recognize any of the entities, defined in the 
master file.

also, nxml seems to think that the <code> element and the language= attribute 
of the <programlisting> element are invalid. why?

also, it does not recognize <xi:include> elements. why?

thanks!

Sam.

Re: nXML questions

[Andreas Roehler]

Sam Steingold wrote:
> Now that nXML is the default xml mode instead of the old sgml-mode, I am
> wondering it its manual could be brought up to date, e.g., answering the
> question which bothers me right now:
> 
> how do I tell nxml that I have a compound docbook document consisting of
> a few files included into the master file using system entities, when
> editing a component file? nxml does not recognize any of the entities,
> defined in the master file.
> 
> also, nxml seems to think that the <code> element and the language=
> attribute of the <programlisting> element are invalid. why?
> 
> also, it does not recognize <xi:include> elements. why?
> 
> thanks!
> 
> Sam.
> 
> 
> 
> 


Hi,

AFAIU nxml is designed exclusively to edit XML Schema files.
XML Schema don't use a DTD as docbook does.

You should be able to restore DTD-modes with

M-x sgml-mode

Also this should be customizable.

If not, it's a bug IMHO.


Andreas

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Re: nXML questions

[Lennart Borgman]

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Andreas Roehler
<andreas.roehler@online.de> wrote:
> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> Now that nXML is the default xml mode instead of the old sgml-mode, I am
>> wondering it its manual could be brought up to date, e.g., answering the
>> question which bothers me right now:
>>
>> how do I tell nxml that I have a compound docbook document consisting of
>> a few files included into the master file using system entities, when
>> editing a component file? nxml does not recognize any of the entities,
>> defined in the master file.
>>
>> also, nxml seems to think that the <code> element and the language=
>> attribute of the <programlisting> element are invalid. why?
>>
>> also, it does not recognize <xi:include> elements. why?
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>> Sam.
>
>
> Hi,
>
> AFAIU nxml is designed exclusively to edit XML Schema files.
> XML Schema don't use a DTD as docbook does.


That sounds a bit strange. Is there a misunderstanding there?

You can for example edit XHTML files with nXml. It uses the DTD, but
it have to have it converted to an .rng file. Please see the home page
for nXml for more information about how to convert a DTD to a .rng
file.

A .rng file for DocBook comes with Emacs. However there are several
DocBook DTDs. There are perhaps also some things that nXml does not
cover fully, but I do not know this well.



> You should be able to restore DTD-modes with
>
> M-x sgml-mode
>
> Also this should be customizable.
>
> If not, it's a bug IMHO.
>
>
> Andreas
>
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>
>
>
>

Re: nXML questions

[Andreas Röhler]

Lennart Borgman wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Andreas Roehler
> <andreas.roehler@online.de> wrote:
>> Sam Steingold wrote:
>>> Now that nXML is the default xml mode instead of the old sgml-mode, I am
>>> wondering it its manual could be brought up to date, e.g., answering the
>>> question which bothers me right now:
>>>
>>> how do I tell nxml that I have a compound docbook document consisting of
>>> a few files included into the master file using system entities, when
>>> editing a component file? nxml does not recognize any of the entities,
>>> defined in the master file.
>>>
>>> also, nxml seems to think that the <code> element and the language=
>>> attribute of the <programlisting> element are invalid. why?
>>>
>>> also, it does not recognize <xi:include> elements. why?
>>>
>>> thanks!
>>>
>>> Sam.
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> AFAIU nxml is designed exclusively to edit XML Schema files.
>> XML Schema don't use a DTD as docbook does.
> 
> 
> That sounds a bit strange. Is there a misunderstanding there?

Hi Lennart,

that's fairly possible. Just exploring this matter.
Thanks for your help.

Andreas


> 
> You can for example edit XHTML files with nXml. It uses the DTD, but
> it have to have it converted to an .rng file. Please see the home page
> for nXml for more information about how to convert a DTD to a .rng
> file.
> 
> A .rng file for DocBook comes with Emacs. However there are several
> DocBook DTDs. There are perhaps also some things that nXml does not
> cover fully, but I do not know this well.
> 
> 
> 
>> You should be able to restore DTD-modes with
>>
>> M-x sgml-mode
>>
>> Also this should be customizable.
>>
>> If not, it's a bug IMHO.
>>
>>
>> Andreas
>>
>> --
>> https://code.launchpad.net/s-x-emacs-werkstatt/
>> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~a-roehler/python-mode/python-mode.el/
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 

RE: nXML questions

[Drew Adams]

> > AFAIU nxml is designed exclusively to edit XML Schema files.
> > XML Schema don't use a DTD as docbook does.
> 
> That sounds a bit strange. Is there a misunderstanding there?
> 
> You can for example edit XHTML files with nXml. It uses the DTD, but
> it have to have it converted to an .rng file. Please see the home page
> for nXml for more information about how to convert a DTD to a .rng
> file.
> 
> A .rng file for DocBook comes with Emacs. However there are several
> DocBook DTDs. There are perhaps also some things that nXml does not
> cover fully, but I do not know this well.

I'm no expert on nxml, but I thought that it did *not* support XML Schema. I
thought it only supported Relax NG and DTDs (and maybe some other things).

I wish it did support XML Schema.

Re: nXML questions

[Stephen Langer]

On Nov 3, 2009, at 5:59 AM, Andreas Roehler wrote:

> Sam Steingold wrote:
>> Now that nXML is the default xml mode instead of the old sgml-mode,  
>> I am
>> wondering it its manual could be brought up to date, e.g.,  
>> answering the
>> question which bothers me right now:
>>
>> how do I tell nxml that I have a compound docbook document  
>> consisting of
>> a few files included into the master file using system entities, when
>> editing a component file? nxml does not recognize any of the  
>> entities,
>> defined in the master file.


I asked this question a few weeks ago and got no replies.  I'm glad  
I'm not the only one interested, at least.  Does anyone have an answer?

Thanks.

-- Steve

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Re: nXML questions

[Lennart Borgman]

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Stephen Langer <stephen.langer@nist.gov> wrote:
>
> On Nov 3, 2009, at 5:59 AM, Andreas Roehler wrote:
>
>> Sam Steingold wrote:
>>>
>>> Now that nXML is the default xml mode instead of the old sgml-mode, I am
>>> wondering it its manual could be brought up to date, e.g., answering the
>>> question which bothers me right now:
>>>
>>> how do I tell nxml that I have a compound docbook document consisting of
>>> a few files included into the master file using system entities, when
>>> editing a component file? nxml does not recognize any of the entities,
>>> defined in the master file.
>
>
> I asked this question a few weeks ago and got no replies.  I'm glad I'm not
> the only one interested, at least.  Does anyone have an answer?


Is it the same question that was asked on EmacsWiki here under
Multi-File Documents?

  http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/UsingNxmlModeWithDocBook

There was a suggestion to ask on the nXml mailing list, but no one has
come back with an answer. Maybe there is an answer on that
mailing-list? If someone finds it, please add it to EmacsWiki!

Re: nXML questions

[Stephen Langer]

On Nov 3, 2009, at 4:32 PM, Lennart Borgman wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Stephen Langer <stephen.langer@nist.gov 
> > wrote:
>>
>> On Nov 3, 2009, at 5:59 AM, Andreas Roehler wrote:
>>
>>> Sam Steingold wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Now that nXML is the default xml mode instead of the old sgml- 
>>>> mode, I am
>>>> wondering it its manual could be brought up to date, e.g.,  
>>>> answering the
>>>> question which bothers me right now:
>>>>
>>>> how do I tell nxml that I have a compound docbook document  
>>>> consisting of
>>>> a few files included into the master file using system entities,  
>>>> when
>>>> editing a component file? nxml does not recognize any of the  
>>>> entities,
>>>> defined in the master file.
>>
>>
>> I asked this question a few weeks ago and got no replies.  I'm glad  
>> I'm not
>> the only one interested, at least.  Does anyone have an answer?
>
>
> Is it the same question that was asked on EmacsWiki here under
> Multi-File Documents?
>
>  http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/UsingNxmlModeWithDocBook
>
> There was a suggestion to ask on the nXml mailing list, but no one has
> come back with an answer. Maybe there is an answer on that
> mailing-list? If someone finds it, please add it to EmacsWiki!

Yes, it's the same question.  I asked it on emacs-nxml-mode (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/emacs-nxml-mode/message/1975 
), and the only answer I got was a suggestion to ask again on a gnu  
emacs list, which is why I'm here.

  -- Steve

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