From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Fiddling with the menus (was: bug#4043: 23.1; thanks for emacs 23!) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 21:07:19 +0200 Message-ID: References: <83r5vklx9x.fsf@gnu.org> <83iqgwlvak.fsf@gnu.org> <83ab28lsuo.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1249844866 20386 80.91.229.12 (9 Aug 2009 19:07:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 19:07:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: xah@xahlee.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 09 21:07:38 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MaDk0-0006ng-K2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:07:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36152 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MaDjz-0003D1-V0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 15:07:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MaDjq-0003An-Qp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 15:07:26 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MaDjm-00038w-95 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 15:07:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37020 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MaDjm-00038r-3p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 15:07:22 -0400 Original-Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.250]:50449) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MaDjk-0007O8-3A; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 15:07:20 -0400 Original-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b6so968582ana.21 for ; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 12:07:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=lz51gasR62Y6WCUoP5rRwP8QRjgKz+dsrxhHRXP5WJw=; b=HI8udvgWn7Jl3IfjReERycBwVZgDPV3rUV4WG0rY/LHnGje+MfFyeoSJxWbLg16KtN c+UURU6j7THq0rUwAbAhi+EKSSqvrSxqel5WS6FeKSs3Dd92MFRlwM/KX63ivj8l9BoC MEefNV+p79dfrJ6PQcU32SvxCUbiCpafLnF/c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=VWEmgg/LBSeYX5uzXigLhUJT+rHOSkSKKesPVS0FP5qkuCv5P+LLwKNXDdlOZvE2QR 9/THKZUB/TfmKI7zTYaCB9aOTza8YVXxlxwOu8LYchINA67pExTUl8FSu4vpPwt3sLdH tAtD++KcAwGRWOo/VCratXUrEQlptNoQTadCU= Original-Received: by 10.100.12.4 with SMTP id 4mr2616304anl.135.1249844839523; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 12:07:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83ab28lsuo.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:113880 Archived-At: On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 20:10:41 +0200 >> From: Lennart Borgman >> Cc: xah@xahlee.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> >> Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 19:56:06 +0200 >> >> From: Lennart Borgman >> >> Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, xah@xahlee.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> >> >> Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 05:53:25 +0200 >> >> >> From: Lennart Borgman >> >> >> Cc: Xah Lee , emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> >> >> >> >> The "Save options" is in my opinion confusing. >> >> > >> >> > I don't see how it can be. =C2=A0Many other GUI programs have a sim= ilar >> >> > feature, and I didn't find it confusing at all. >> >> >> >> They do? It does not at all seem common to me, but maybe I have just >> >> missed it. I just looked in Firefox and OpenOffice.org and I can't se= e >> >> anything similar. >> > >> > Try harder. >> >> >> You got me. I simply must be missing it. Exactly where in the Firefox >> menus is it?? > > Hint: what are all those "Apply" buttons you click to make the > selected options permanent? They are very different. You do not find them in the menus. They are more like our save/set buttons in customize buffers. Most often I believe program does not make the distinction between saved and set options as Emacs does. I looked for example at Firebug in Firefox menu. There you just toggle options permanently by clicking them in the menu. However if Apply buttons was what you were thinking of then why not have a customize-save-customized entry instead in the options menu? This would be much better than the current "Save Options" in my opinion.