From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Fiddling with the menus (was: bug#4043: 23.1; thanks for emacs 23!) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 20:54:11 +0200 Message-ID: References: <83r5vklx9x.fsf@gnu.org> <83iqgwlvak.fsf@gnu.org> <83fxc0lupm.fsf@gnu.org> <83d474lt14.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1249844154 18384 80.91.229.12 (9 Aug 2009 18:55:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:55:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: xah@xahlee.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 09 20:55:46 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MaDYY-0002cq-6g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:55:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33365 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MaDYX-0004uB-QA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:55:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MaDX8-0004Ws-Rz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:54:18 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MaDX4-0004V1-8e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:54:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47867 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MaDX4-0004Ut-2f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:54:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yx0-f172.google.com ([209.85.210.172]:39159) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MaDX2-0005Ls-Ld; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:54:12 -0400 Original-Received: by yxe2 with SMTP id 2so3552262yxe.14 for ; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 11:54:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=bNlmsjhv/a3FABMIo/K9BC5ItI9aaxKFqKkI60hbKPg=; b=ne8eJUKErYhmEIEGaHzqqAY8Xg462+IdcMUL66VbZYDvRNlgClt0cd1qhO1W5241oy QHo2PLXGsCmezR6cZbBNO9K4i44AdbukQy9AF86u519U6k33bDrP4MH04Ie7PPulAzwM msPzh6I6gIPX5dGN6yyjBY8E/9NXbuodtrkQk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JY8C26kHCI108nKkHfJrlZjXKDMAHPVrSAwnqLNt5/ehArlyvLN4pRXgdIzwnxw4Ey K9G2QRxzz1xe8rGwZ2JTqTsB2xU5HhMo/DCD/yfEeaVXS/BA8qKiO2MNW+PrJpTIrc5G bDKH6IKi+93EkgGtysWeKO205o2VRy/vsg8hI= Original-Received: by 10.100.12.4 with SMTP id 4mr2608551anl.135.1249844051730; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 11:54:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83d474lt14.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:113875 Archived-At: On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 20:21:46 +0200 >> From: Lennart Borgman >> Cc: xah@xahlee.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> > I'm saying that subgroups called "advanced" are bad. >> >> You said >> >> =C2=A0 In a good UI, each feature should be put under a group whose name >> =C2=A0 gives a hint that the feature could be reasonably looked up in th= at >> =C2=A0 group. =C2=A0Having group names such as "Advanced" or "More optio= ns", that >> =C2=A0 have no mnemonic value, is abusing the menus, which are supposed = to >> =C2=A0 make the job of finding a feature _easier_, not harder. > > Yes, and that goes for subgroups as well. And the reason? You can hardly avoid seeing the contexts in the menus. It is actually one of the main thing in a cascading menu.