From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Fiddling with the menus (was: bug#4043: 23.1; thanks for emacs 23!) 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:113866 Archived-At: On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 19:56:06 +0200 >> From: Lennart Borgman >> Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, xah@xahlee.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> >> Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 05:53:25 +0200 >> >> From: Lennart Borgman >> >> Cc: Xah Lee , emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> >> >> The "Save options" is in my opinion confusing. >> > >> > I don't see how it can be. =C2=A0Many other GUI programs have a simila= r >> > feature, and I didn't find it confusing at all. >> >> They do? It does not at all seem common to me, but maybe I have just >> missed it. I just looked in Firefox and OpenOffice.org and I can't see >> anything similar. > > Try harder. You got me. I simply must be missing it. Exactly where in the Firefox menus is it?? >> >> I think it would be better to ask for each option if it would be set >> >> permanently or just temporarily. >> > >> > That'd be a major annoyance, I think. >> >> Exactly why? > > Because I don't like to be annoyed with interactive prompts too much, > they get in the way of fast typing. How can fast typing interfere with setting an option in the menus? (Well it can, or could at least before. If you opened the menu and made your choice too fast then nearly anything could happen. But I do not know if that is still buggy because I used my patched version to avoid that. BTW Firefox still has a rather similar bug.) >> Are you misunderstanding what I suggested? > > No, I understand you very well. So you are saying that subgroups are bad because they do not give you enough structure?