From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why Emacs should have a good web-browser Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:33:33 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87ocrjl2r6.fsf@gmail.com> <87zlb2bwyj.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87bpnefl73.fsf@gmail.com> <1248196427.7551.38.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1248204835 8158 80.91.229.12 (21 Jul 2009 19:33:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:33:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Thomas Lord , ferkiwi+a@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , Paul R , Miles Bader To: =?UTF-8?Q?Adam_Wo=C5=82k?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 21 21:33:47 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MTL5s-0007M5-Fq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:33:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46747 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MTL5r-0004FP-VD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:33:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MTL5o-0004EA-8y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:33:40 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MTL5j-0004CT-NL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:33:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39020 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MTL5j-0004CN-Jw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:33:35 -0400 Original-Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.248]:12026) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MTL5i-00016g-1l; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:33:34 -0400 Original-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b6so3189824ana.21 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:33:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=JJLoaElK4dKxtl0dSWx9KtlX6Bum/OjKlwl0J8FK/I4=; b=UnokTOBG5w1M10rLHaQCcKn2gAwAC7KiAzviaQLzeub0UMwOXdoM8XFllIgcyK2l0d 67LfFSSm0eeU291fWmL+B8gjodhPcCP6pIDV5q9nYFC7igVsfPPydB+Zt59xYfiAziBl N4KFkraZpRb0yNI6zeQCc1yubpiwX+OmIVsGQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=DIErWrpQrl4qlqKjVOIAg5Llq3u3bPNescwNw2oxBdo+UC8+n7h90Oa3ZGq+jniuBL g6EK7LJiqzTjh7ipoCpQ/2rFo0SSnYqkJ+NwCG1KR3rpVfmaYHKvAU98utvghaUqKuQ+ ZCm3hZUxCkXfzBdNG0czDWYEeQmlibyPNw4ew= Original-Received: by 10.100.152.12 with SMTP id z12mr45372and.96.1248204813409; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:33:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112947 Archived-At: 2009/7/21 Adam Wo=C5=82k : > Dnia 21-07-2009 o 21:01:21 Lennart Borgman > napisa=C5=82(a): > >> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Adam Wo=C5=82k wrot= e: >> >>> Benefits of helping out with this project: >>> * Conkeror can be fully controlled from withing emacs using mozrepl >> >> Please explain in what way it is better to use Conkeror than Firefox for >> this. > > If You refer to mozrepl and scripting only. Then I would assume that > concepts taken from Emacs and implemented in conkeror will make it a more > natural platform to extend for current Emacs users. Unfortunately this is= a > wild guess on my part as I really haven't tried to code for either platfo= rm > (conkeror and Firefox). Thanks for explaining. > Some other things that came to my mind: > > Conkeror has implemented massive amounts of functionality in ways that Em= acs > users expect. > For example I quickly checked the following set of common tasks with basi= c > text edition: > * C-n, C-p, C-f, C-b, M-f, M-b, C-t, M-t, C-a, C-e, C-v, M-v > * C-s, C-r > * C-w,M-w,C-y,C-k > * Marks and regions are used for operations (C-SPACE, C-x C-x) > > All of them work as expected. This makes it easier and more natural to ta= b > between both applications (Emacs and conkeror). There are some users of Emacs (like me) that never use these key bindings since we prefer Viper. So we would really want a combination of vi+emacs keybindings in other applications too.