From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: 16 (Re: Infrastructural complexity.) 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112813 Archived-At: On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Thomas Lord wrote: > On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 08:47 +0200, Lennart Borgman wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Thomas Lord wrote: >> > _______ >> > =C2=A0_______________________________ >> > =C2=A0| =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | >> > =C2=A0| =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | >> > =C2=A0| =C2=A0~~~control~~~panel~~~area =C2=A0| >> > =C2=A0| =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | >> > =C2=A0|_________|_________|_________| >> > =C2=A0| =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | main =C2=A0 =C2=A0| =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | >> > =C2=A0| =C2=A0 ~~ =C2=A0 =C2=A0| edit =C2=A0 =C2=A0| =C2=A0 ~~ =C2=A0 = =C2=A0| >> > =C2=A0| =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | area =C2=A0 =C2=A0| =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | >> > =C2=A0| =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | >> > =C2=A0|_________|_________|_________| >> > =C2=A0| =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | >> > =C2=A0| =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | >> > =C2=A0| =C2=A0~~~control~~~panel~~~area =C2=A0| >> > =C2=A0| =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | >> > =C2=A0|_________|_________|_________| > >> This seems to be easy to implement on the elisp level, > > I don't see how, c.f. Miles' comments recently. =C2=A0I mean, > you need some C-level hackery to have the "five frames > in one systems window, configurable by those eight bits" > but then, sure, you can make all the behaviour of that nice > by hacking at the elisp level. I mean the layout, not tool bars, tab bars etc. (Forgot exactly what Miles meant.) And I do not think of the 4 panels in this layout as panel windows. I think of them as panel CONTAINERS for panel windows.