From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Infrastructural complexity. Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:34:50 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20090712180623.GA1009@muc.de> <87ocrjtafd.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <1247871746.6287.157.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <87tz19efhy.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87vdlo5xzi.fsf@mail.jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1248039313 13495 80.91.229.12 (19 Jul 2009 21:35:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:35:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lord@emf.net, rms@gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rudalics@gmx.at, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, acm@muc.de, drew.adams@oracle.com To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 19 23:35:05 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MSe2C-0004cD-N8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:35:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60893 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MSe2B-0003tp-Tb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:35:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MSe26-0003qE-U8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:34:58 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MSe21-0003dg-RZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:34:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38760 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MSe21-0003dQ-IT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:34:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-fx0-f216.google.com ([209.85.220.216]:34970) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MSe1z-0000nl-UR; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:34:52 -0400 Original-Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so223816fxm.42 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:34:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=mWmEg16EwZDh+3WGVVbdKEWvg4ybD6ICxbiHhw89tYk=; b=POx0WKqUmjdzWY97fmrOEc/Zi1vy2UyDMvO9lOyx9oXYwtdDLfNlmYzuY+b6oIsHwF abcY9ZkoCyF1VxyTfO7OBURD1aPFrzJjPzXkai+TwpTzT6N2QxDT2onOqNLPkdPzALP3 uQXHsXzfoCSmBHeP4z3zEVqz3iOj1XbmI3mYg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vb0G0fJwbCvAFW9AHICW6luHxDBM8EW1UXqGEoPddW1eDHpuf5icRl5CLefD++nglG UlxYrS3trzdYWFlD1UAAWgyhPy0T20Cyw2fkssgyeiWxoGnHc4mN/vvco4GUj0MSCUqA WI+A6Xi77laN3L+t28ZPYOKxBfAevEp8csyUQ= Original-Received: by 10.223.123.129 with SMTP id p1mr953728far.29.1248039290371; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:34:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87vdlo5xzi.fsf@mail.jurta.org> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112775 Archived-At: On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Juri Linkov wrote: >> Why should they need menu bars and tool bars etc? I think they would >> be useful without it. > > Have you seen Eclipse screenshots? =C2=A0Eclipse and other IDE framelets = have > tool bars and tab bars. Hm, thanks, you are right. It uses tab bars and tool bars. However I do not believe menus are allowed in child windows on w32 (at least it was not that before).