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From: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>, Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>,
	Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Infrastructural complexity.
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:14:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e01d8a50907161514w4e2e09a0l2bd80c363c86f65a@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AF2D053725D44885AE29428DBC0E00E7@us.oracle.com>

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Drew Adams<drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:
>> >> Because messages missing by the user is a real problem in Emacs.
>> >> Most modern IDEs has no such problem since they have a special
>> >> `Log' tab/window.  We are gearing towards IDE so our efforts
>> >> will count for this goal.
>> >
>> > I'm not sure this argument is valid, since one can set up a
>> > dedicated *Messages* window in Emacs, if desired.
>>
>> Why does that help? Don't we need the protected window feature that
>> will (hopefully) be included (for ECB)?
>
> What's the "protected window feature"? Never heard of it. If you introduce stuff
> into the discussion, at least give people a pointer to what you mean.

There is no "protected windows" yet, but ECB tries to implement them.
It is windows that are not affected by window commands that deletes
windows, like C-x 1, C-x 0.

I have no idea what we will call, that is why I gave a pointer to ECB,
but of course only those that are familiar with ECB will understand
me. Sorry.

There was a long discussion of this feature here some time ago. ECB
uses advice to achieve this now. The solution is surpricingly good,
but there are some smaller irritating problems with it of course.




  reply	other threads:[~2009-07-16 22:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 288+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-12 14:41 Blunderbuss ".dir-locals.el" raises everything in its path!! Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-12 16:39 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-12 18:06   ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-12 18:30     ` David De La Harpe Golden
2009-07-12 21:39       ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-12 22:22         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-13  7:36           ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-13  7:50             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17  0:18       ` Add file-locals and dir-locals (was: Blunderbuss ".dir-locals.el" raises everything in its path!!) Juri Linkov
2009-07-17  7:57         ` Add file-locals and dir-locals martin rudalics
2009-07-17  9:43           ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-18 13:48             ` martin rudalics
2009-07-18 21:54               ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 10:38                 ` martin rudalics
2009-07-19 18:12                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-20 12:30                     ` Leo
2009-07-22  0:21                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-22  3:49                         ` Leo
2009-08-04 23:59                           ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-05  1:57                             ` Leo
2009-08-05 21:52                               ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-05 23:14                                 ` Leo
2009-08-06 20:36                                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-07  1:18                                     ` Leo
2009-08-08  8:18                             ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-08-08 11:28                               ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-08 19:31                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-08 20:43                                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-08 21:26                                     ` Leo
2009-08-08 21:45                                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-08 21:58                                         ` Drew Adams
2009-08-09  3:15                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-09  8:29                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-09  1:21                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-17 15:48         ` David Kastrup
2009-07-17 23:06           ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-12 18:37     ` Blunderbuss ".dir-locals.el" raises everything in its path!! Chong Yidong
2009-07-12 21:21       ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-12 21:33         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-12 21:45           ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-12 21:48             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-13  3:23               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-13  3:51                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-13  5:07             ` tomas
2009-07-13  3:23         ` Giorgos Keramidas
2009-07-13  7:16           ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-13  4:24         ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-13  4:37           ` Miles Bader
2009-07-13  6:22             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-13  8:19               ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-13  8:45                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-13 13:13                   ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-13 15:05                     ` Miles Bader
2009-07-13  9:18                 ` Ken Raeburn
2009-07-13 10:47                   ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-13 11:42                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-13 15:11                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-13  8:25             ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-13  8:48               ` Miles Bader
2009-07-13  9:25                 ` Chad Brown
2009-07-13 20:03                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-13 21:15                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-14  0:44                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-16  0:30                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-16 13:53                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-16 20:48                           ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-16 21:11                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17  3:01                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-17  9:42                               ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-18 21:55                                 ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-13  9:26               ` Ken Raeburn
2009-07-13  2:08       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-07-13  5:09       ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-13  8:41         ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-14 16:22         ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-14 18:26           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-14 20:11           ` Patch: " Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-15  7:55             ` Jan Djärv
2009-07-15 19:00               ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-15 20:20                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-15 20:49                 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-18 12:51               ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-20  9:40                 ` Jan Djärv
2009-07-20 19:43                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-20 21:20                     ` Jan Djärv
2009-07-14  0:32       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-14  6:04         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-14  6:58         ` Jan Djärv
2009-07-14 14:05           ` Davis Herring
2009-07-14 15:13             ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-14 15:45               ` Davis Herring
2009-07-14 19:47                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-16  0:31                 ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-16 16:43                   ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 18:38                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-16 18:47                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 20:59                         ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-16 21:19                           ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 21:29                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 22:00                               ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 20:09                       ` Infrastructural complexity. [Was: Blunderbuss ".dir-locals.el" raises everything in its path!!] Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-16 20:36                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 20:57                         ` Infrastructural complexity Juri Linkov
2009-07-16 21:28                           ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-16 21:33                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 22:00                               ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 22:14                                 ` Lennart Borgman [this message]
2009-07-16 22:25                                   ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 22:30                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 22:38                                       ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 22:43                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 22:49                                   ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-16 22:54                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 23:44                                       ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-17  0:30                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17  1:18                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-17  1:29                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17  2:21                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-17  2:24                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17  2:44                                                   ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-17  2:47                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17 17:41                                                       ` joakim
2009-07-17 18:46                                                         ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-17 20:13                                                           ` joakim
2009-07-17 23:02                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-17 23:49                                                             ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-18  0:29                                                               ` joakim
2009-07-20  2:38                                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  4:59                                                                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-20  7:31                                                                   ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-18  0:05                                                             ` joakim
2009-07-18  0:21                                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-18  0:36                                                                 ` Leo
2009-07-18 22:06                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 13:21                                                                     ` Leo
2009-07-19 15:10                                                                       ` Miles Bader
2009-07-19 20:05                                                                       ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-18  8:18                                                                 ` joakim
2009-07-18 17:11                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-18 22:05                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19  0:07                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19 18:23                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 20:18                                                                       ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19 20:57                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 22:27                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  0:00                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2009-07-19 21:56                                                                         ` Mathias Dahl
2009-07-19 22:21                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19 23:54                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2009-07-20  0:18                                                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19 23:58                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20  0:50                                                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19 23:34                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2009-07-19 21:34                                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19  4:37                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-19  1:14                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19  1:48                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19  4:01                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  5:45                                                                       ` 16 (Re: Infrastructural complexity.) Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  6:23                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  9:09                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  6:47                                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20  7:28                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  7:34                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20  7:38                                                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19 10:38                                                                   ` Infrastructural complexity martin rudalics
2009-07-19 11:12                                                                     ` joakim
2009-07-19 15:08                                                                     ` Miles Bader
2009-07-20  9:32                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-20 14:18                                                                         ` Miles Bader
2009-07-20 15:32                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-20 16:00                                                                             ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-20 16:30                                                                             ` Miles Bader
2009-07-20 19:02                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-20 22:08                                                                                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-20 22:45                                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20 23:00                                                                                   ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-21  9:39                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-21 10:28                                                                                     ` Miles Bader
2009-07-21 13:26                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-21 16:13                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-21 17:17                                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-21 17:25                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 14:34                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-22 14:59                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 18:25                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-23  9:26                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-23 15:12                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-23 15:24                                                                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-23 17:40                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-23 18:56                                                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-23 19:13                                                                                                           ` joakim
2009-07-23 20:49                                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-24  8:29                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-25  4:55                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-25  8:54                                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-25 14:48                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-25 17:11                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-26 14:15                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-26 15:13                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-21 17:06                                                                                       ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-22 10:12                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 15:32                                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-22 17:07                                                                                             ` Mathias Dahl
2009-07-21 16:59                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-21 17:25                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-21 18:15                                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-22 10:12                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 16:28                                                                                             ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-22 18:23                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 19:04                                                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-23  9:24                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-23 18:51                                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-23 19:17                                                                                                       ` joakim
2009-07-23 19:49                                                                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-23 20:35                                                                                                           ` joakim
2009-07-24  1:08                                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-24  1:20                                                                                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-24  8:28                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24 11:21                                                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-24 12:10                                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24 14:20                                                                                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-24 14:55                                                                                                                   ` AW: " klaus.berndl
2009-07-24 16:09                                                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24 18:37                                                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-25  4:16                                                                                                                       ` AW: " klaus.berndl
2009-07-25  8:06                                                                                                                         ` Miles Bader
2009-07-25 21:13                                                                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-24 16:08                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24 16:16                                                                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-24 17:13                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-25  1:27                                                                                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-25  8:53                                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24  8:28                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24 18:31                                                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-25  8:52                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-25 14:50                                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-25 17:12                                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-26 14:19                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-26 15:14                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-26 17:18                                                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-26 17:45                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-26 18:34                                                                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-27  6:40                                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
     [not found]                                                                                                                             ` <1248710762.6165.28.camel@dell-desktop.example.co! ! m>
2009-07-27 16:06                                                                                                                             ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-27 16:53                                                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 17:40                                                                                                                                 ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                                                                                                                                   ` <4A6DEC6! 4.10001@gmx.at>
     [not found]                                                                                                                                     ` <D86752FEC8404739B257327FE0FE8FE6@us.orac! ! le.com>
     [not found]                                                                                                                                   ` <4A6DEC6!4.10001@gmx.at>
2009-07-27 18:05                                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 18:40                                                                                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2009-07-28  7:39                                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-28 15:21                                                                                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2009-07-29  9:06                                                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 18:05                                                                                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-28  7:38                                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-28 15:18                                                                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-29  9:06                                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-29 19:22                                                                                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-30  9:07                                                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-30 17:01                                                                                                                                             ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-31  9:08                                                                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-31 16:19                                                                                                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-31 16:58                                                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-31 17:53                                                                                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-22 19:05                                                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-23  9:24                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-18 13:49                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-16 21:48                             ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-18 13:48                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-18 21:57                                 ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19  0:09                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19  5:00                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-19 10:38                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-19 13:06                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19 18:31                                     ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 21:36                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19 23:11                                         ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 23:52                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20  9:32                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-20 14:22                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20 18:29                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-19 23:14                                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-20  9:33                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22  0:38                                         ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-22  2:24                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-22 10:12                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 14:36                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-14 18:21           ` Blunderbuss ".dir-locals.el" raises everything in its path!! Stefan Monnier
2009-07-13  0:02     ` Miles Bader

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