From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Infrastructural complexity. Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:33:32 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20090712180623.GA1009@muc.de> <43507.130.55.118.19.1247580320.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <20090714151327.GA1718@muc.de> <53864.130.55.118.19.1247586358.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <87r5whgzvg.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <0C244EB2B99349238E281268B0339C72@us.oracle.com> <20090716200959.GA4298@muc.de> <87vdlstkg4.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87skgwb9na.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1247780063 29222 80.91.229.12 (16 Jul 2009 21:34:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juri Linkov , Alan Mackenzie , Stefan Monnier , Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 16 23:34:15 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MRYag-00046w-80 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:34:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49918 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MRYaf-0001j4-C4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:34:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MRYaA-0001Vf-F8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:33:38 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MRYa6-0001Tn-Js for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:33:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=59486 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MRYa6-0001Tg-DI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:33:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-bw0-f219.google.com ([209.85.218.219]:50410) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MRYa6-0000FG-35 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:33:34 -0400 Original-Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so442983bwz.42 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:33:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8d+sfpkpXCYYcjaBQf1B6PvaTVw1nK30PXt+I6gsps0=; b=osG/FcqR/wSeeLF1rEG/CSdhDfOzYhi3aKDFuZsjfW4CO5UYxa2mB8vhld/a7jANtQ Da4KAE7Yj7SgTCrDu3DlRnCbMmW97G95zNYqcWUVY31/NKm94pUEa70Lwx6PuqbfqMw5 nZnSAH9J6MVJkwBhb5yEsVLMSKxnudGSPX0gg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=g7r7yxAvS1IGdcLtW62+nNwQ4Xd+G103jwoPr/OdYAPa4ywe8oAHScUWcisiOYyoPv niobSYTy/jKpt+rc1wcxFcWd0BO1emqcbJYgJ4E+EKP1o3OcnfSIkRqLl6vIMAyYZnXe ER5xdOjajolu0Cfrz6aCS1Q41P3trSqve69Os= Original-Received: by 10.223.103.194 with SMTP id l2mr47631fao.55.1247780012927; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:33:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87skgwb9na.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112562 Archived-At: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Chong Yidong wrote= : > Juri Linkov writes: > >> Because messages missing by the user is a real problem in Emacs. >> Most modern IDEs has no such problem since they have a special >> `Log' tab/window. =C2=A0We are gearing towards IDE so our efforts >> will count for this goal. > > I'm not sure this argument is valid, since one can set up a dedicated > *Messages* window in Emacs, if desired. Why does that help? Don't we need the protected window feature that will (hopefully) be included (for ECB)?