From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: please make line-move-visual nil Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:08:38 +0200 Message-ID: References: <48914.130.55.118.19.1242592120.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <66C6BA04EBCF4B6DAED69E851627D852@us.oracle.com> <18970.25868.549514.194223@a1ihome1.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20090526095247.GA2919@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243339827 1673 80.91.229.12 (26 May 2009 12:10:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:10:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Ulrich Mueller , emacs-devel@gnu.org, ams@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , drew.adams@oracle.com, Miles Bader To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 26 14:10:20 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M8vU3-0001vk-Nq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:10:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38810 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8vU1-00073E-Bt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:10:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8vSc-0006GH-08 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:08:51 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8vSX-0006Dq-0h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:08:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52259 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8vSW-0006DQ-6t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:08:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-fx0-f169.google.com ([209.85.220.169]:34993) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M8vSU-0000L3-5D; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:08:42 -0400 Original-Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so4029165fxm.42 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 05:08:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3nHNVsxqfYXV7m7w4Wck+JGNWA24VE73D2NFpaR6kyU=; b=HeWnA1gdFHJ/zS6YpfB0+gvv1TtFnwxWMsyuLIkGn76wsjKV2BIOSFDoiU48XY9nP9 iQp5OHuKkP5myk7e3zy/7+I40YqsShIW9NhvFe3rZFDNRg/1QNIZEXQMPI5jyoY0Uluw aFxrzebijB27TQhrzhA1SuJjb/RuenvXrpLx8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=IAS1ZvGvc6Ifc6QT1CgMP8xF8ZshdQy81pPomOS83MNvD/yifi/c0FkBM3nVdATPI3 GcLhwfMNdYUhpwBXptHGklMccbXhVow6Hql7d8TUYzOOb652LQJjYl6I7MA4XZHOlbm0 hdLheoiZzFMhlZxUNMAHXwJ1taq0PykqGxFzY= Original-Received: by 10.239.148.82 with SMTP id e18mr538964hbb.13.1243339718138; Tue, 26 May 2009 05:08:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090526095247.GA2919@muc.de> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111108 Archived-At: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > I disagree with Eli that defaults are "only" defaults: they're the > settings we impose on new users, and are critically important. =C2=A0If > they're bad defaults, they could irritate and exasperate users for months > or years before those users eventually change them. =C2=A0(C-n adding new > lines onto the ends of files (which was the default in Emacs <=3D 20) > springs to mind here). I guess new users will in most cases appreciate the change (since it makes Emacs behave more like other editing environments), but old timers will a bit more often dislike it. (This will of course make both polling and discussions like this difficult.= )