From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: please make line-move-visual nil Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 01:58:51 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87eiuru24b.fsf@iki.fi> <39370.130.55.118.19.1242397867.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <48914.130.55.118.19.1242592120.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <66C6BA04EBCF4B6DAED69E851627D852@us.oracle.com> <87eiue83i7.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243209549 2885 80.91.229.12 (24 May 2009 23:59:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 23:59:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Leo , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 25 01:59:02 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M8Nao-0007yI-94 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 01:59:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59075 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8Nan-0002OH-PK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:59:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8Nah-0002O5-UM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:58:55 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8Nag-0002Ns-I4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:58:54 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42657 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8Nag-0002Np-Cv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:58:54 -0400 Original-Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.153]:12238) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M8Nag-0007li-0L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 19:58:54 -0400 Original-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so812115fga.7 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:58:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=iRJ/L2m1qsQeU1zzdP8PucC2PTLOfmf8wfmRWu8c/ZE=; b=dTbUtdNYM5ihRFRDx6QmYsT7OQU+hixZYBzrHZ3N34oI4OA1ybdI1muUccNNf2k3OD Wm5Yf8t7Of152XTkAJ3Fvya6eHL+Fgw36bFro/JSayEnbHJ10uh/9Gk9OWID3C9sRVi8 erRq/fDnTA1mo4BNenPn+H37dUvWrwLMnsg3c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=VpgBsXSkqLBdGVKQJfDqR9JnR3ELEcr++yqbsITsoVsD+j/dwDt0OeIrKfAMhLBr08 v43NzyzkVg3CiT4n9YONueR6AqOa+SXHlVXAYtMYV75GH2vogDC/56gVwrZMwPxTxmrl S2VFOEAiaRC449Ejg/lB2rI58wPnB/0ps6nV4= Original-Received: by 10.239.157.65 with SMTP id p1mr388689hbc.156.1243209531977; Sun, 24 May 2009 16:58:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87eiue83i7.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111049 Archived-At: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Chong Yidong wrote= : > Leo writes: > >> I also think this is very bad design. Just imagine in vi, change hjkl to >> something different. > > During the course of Emacs development, the behavior of C-n and C-p have > already evolved significantly, even before the line-move-visual change. > For instance, they vscroll images and tall lines. > > The pros and cons of display line motion have been debated extensively, > and I see no new points on either side of the debate. =C2=A0But since sev= eral > people dislike the new behavior, I think it would be good to add an > Options menu entry to disable it easily. Since line-move-visual has been added partly for compatibility with editing in other environments (like for example in Firefox where I am writing this) and since in those environments this behaviour is bound to up/down arrows I think the options for customizing this should reflect that by distinguishing between C-n/C-p and up/down arrow keys.