From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Printing Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:52:25 +0200 Message-ID: References: <5f0660120903280331y780c80b7i57a8115dc4b029eb@mail.gmail.com> <5f0660120903281352v5d7ab83cy44fcff3cbf4581cb@mail.gmail.com> <87ljqnkvn9.fsf@jehiel.elehack.net> <20090402100822.GC28589@tomas> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1238669569 22742 80.91.229.12 (2 Apr 2009 10:52:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 10:52:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: tomas@tuxteam.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 02 12:54:07 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LpKYf-0005Bk-IR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 12:54:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46678 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LpKXI-0000k5-0w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 06:52:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LpKXD-0000i9-2u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 06:52:35 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LpKX8-0000du-Fo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 06:52:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=44693 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LpKX8-0000df-1Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 06:52:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-bw0-f167.google.com ([209.85.218.167]:37121) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LpKX5-0002xe-AQ; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 06:52:27 -0400 Original-Received: by bwz11 with SMTP id 11so430657bwz.42 for ; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 03:52:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=I47DWznT2FoY7NJ1I6LgoMdzaVKXknm5trF6ezyXMxU=; b=PqY89V5wRBNfkZihIIDYm5irul5vPrynaqk/ekku/cBJrzCRtcbWRbFi5uu9tigkxc LlTiL2DvTiml/Gb65FfTBq7/19uqY33BVcUTduGmvVXY1oInHY2gmyytry16kS0VQSml aehV+lLn9qX+llznWoRGb2KmmHmuo6081+nEQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YxXjKKlAOWw/x02CU20+xYfUIvWBwI+rmwUCa3+t132GE2e8VF7ZW7t+C/ibg1sgzQ i89GRoOKRGDzURjJD7Run3pkbdr7RfQBu20M3NG6+QcPBmfex2i94ybIw+sJGutLUHUl mDqT3lJ20yBQraCECjyRsHvSKBqv3axH0JH3Y= Original-Received: by 10.223.108.15 with SMTP id d15mr7117151fap.62.1238669546086; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 03:52:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090402100822.GC28589@tomas> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:109996 Archived-At: On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 12:08 PM, wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 06:14:59AM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > [...] > >> > What other way to print are you thinking of? >> >> The way every modern platform does that: through a printer API, >> whereby you select fonts and layout, then render text to some device, > [...] > > Hm. I know that's the modern "trend", but I am unconvinced that it is in > the end a Good Thing. Implement all those interfaces for > $rendering_system_du_jour (GTK, QT, Windows 32, whatever) instead of > going for one more or less abstract (Postscript, PDF), well-documented > and widely implemented? Is not this reality versus ideality? I think most users on different systems will appreciate that we use the API:s for that system. They will know what to do at once then without having to relearn. And a simple way to do this is to use an intermediate layer like wxwidgets.