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From: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
To: Xah Lee <xahlee@gmail.com>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: usability problem of emacs describe-mode
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:55:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e01d8a50902271555y2087189cu5307a564d22d0fab@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <449684df-6b26-4350-ba76-7316960370b3@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com>

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Xah Lee <xahlee@gmail.com> wrote:
> yesterday, but didn't see any solution or conclusion. First, we
> presume that it is in fact necessary for the paper work, as FSF says
> so. Ok, then what can we do? I don't really know. If the paper work is
> necessary, and of course FSF is practically the only one to protect
> the GPL, in a sense allowing the thousands other open source or “free”
> software to progress freely without paperwork. It appears to me we hav
> run into a inherent “unsolvable” problem. I was thinking, perhaps GNU
> software can be considered as kinda sacrifice, by requiring the legal
> paper work in order to protect GPL for the whole open source
> community, but meanwhile sacrifice GNU software's progress due to the
> very paperwork bureaucracy... but this can't go on for long, because
> eventually GNU's software will become so bad that people all uses
> other's open source software, and if that is so, then FSF's GPL
> protection role will rot out too, because only a very small percentage
> of people is actually using FSF's “free” software...


I think that you are right when you assume that GPL actually protects
the other "free software" too. The key to understand this is that as
soon as the other "free software" gets under attach from copyright
holders then the GPL software will be much more important.

It is the dynamics that counts here.

However the main current problem in my opinion is the inability to
organize and fund ways to develop some of the main free software with
a mix of professional and "free time" developers. This could be done
if we can fight the new liberals oversimplified view of the economic
markets. However the politics are still much on their side so private
initiatives like Ubuntu is still the only way. (I am by the way very
glad for this initiative. It can perhaps serve as an example of what
governements can do - if they want to and are allowed to by the
strange economic laws we are under, the new liberal inspired laws.)




  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-02-27 23:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <76fcf833-ad89-44f2-b227-e18295317ca2@p13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>
2009-02-23 19:14 ` usability problem of emacs describe-mode Zachary Kline
2009-02-23 21:48   ` Xah Lee
2009-02-23 19:27 ` Andreas Politz
2009-02-24 20:36   ` Xah Lee
2009-02-24 23:22     ` Andreas Politz
2009-02-25 19:11       ` Xah Lee
2009-02-23 19:49 ` Tassilo Horn
2009-02-23 21:35 ` Xah Lee
2009-02-24 17:41   ` B. T. Raven
2009-02-24 20:32     ` Xah Lee
2009-02-24 22:48       ` B. T. Raven
2009-02-24 23:31         ` Xah Lee
2009-02-25  8:11   ` Kevin Rodgers
2009-02-25  9:17   ` cmr.Pent
2009-02-25 12:11     ` Sébastien Vauban
2009-02-25 12:58       ` Tassilo Horn
2009-02-25 12:46     ` Tassilo Horn
2009-02-25 15:04     ` Drew Adams
     [not found]     ` <mailman.1767.1235574258.31690.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-02-25 19:30       ` Xah Lee
2009-02-25 19:50         ` Teemu Likonen
     [not found]           ` <e14cdb27-5dcc-4ad4-93ba-81ed6d938b0b@q9g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>
2009-02-26 19:33             ` Improving Emacs (was: usability problem of emacs describe-mode) Teemu Likonen
2009-03-01 23:34               ` Xah Lee
2009-03-02  5:57                 ` Improving Emacs Teemu Likonen
2009-02-26 18:24         ` usability problem of emacs describe-mode Drew Adams
     [not found]         ` <mailman.1878.1235672676.31690.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-02-27  2:21           ` Giorgos Keramidas
     [not found]           ` <fbf7d92c-ae58-4d1b-83b6-d292df8e95a4@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com>
2009-02-27  8:44             ` cmr.Pent
2009-02-27  9:56               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-02-27  9:46             ` David Kastrup
2009-02-27 15:56             ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-02-27 20:34               ` Xah Lee
2009-02-27 21:32                 ` David Kastrup
2009-02-27 22:24                 ` Xah Lee
2009-02-27 23:55                 ` Lennart Borgman [this message]
2009-02-28  0:58                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-02-28  8:57       ` Xah Lee
2009-02-28 15:47         ` Drew Adams
     [not found]         ` <mailman.2089.1235836078.31690.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-03-02  1:46           ` Xah Lee
2009-03-02 15:50             ` Drew Adams
     [not found]             ` <mailman.2216.1236009036.31690.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-03-02 21:09               ` Xah Lee
2009-03-02 21:15                 ` Xah Lee
     [not found]   ` <mailman.1728.1235549474.31690.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-02-25 19:13     ` Xah Lee

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