From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs's popularity (was: Distributed Maintenance for Emacs) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:22:41 +0100 Message-ID: References: <2103fd36-c5cd-4e8d-a74f-34697a369934@a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <003101c954de$f95a3000$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <87skop8cc7.fsf@iki.fi> <20081215210907.GB3848@groll.co.za> <00aa01c95f00$fc27b830$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <00ad01c95f03$21fae080$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1229380660 19583 80.91.229.12 (15 Dec 2008 22:37:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:37:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Jonathan Groll , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Teemu Likonen To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 15 23:38:44 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LCM4z-0007cJ-IV for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:38:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47055 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LCM3n-0001H8-80 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:37:07 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LCLpt-0008AF-4F for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:22:45 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LCLps-00089h-Dr for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:22:44 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=43519 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LCLps-00089e-7o for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:22:44 -0500 Original-Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.159]:8543) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LCLpr-00025X-Iy for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:22:44 -0500 Original-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so1416888fgb.30 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:22:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=b240p5DwXhy6PuTN8EyV/m1ZqlTI4DLiDv3EbwCgpAk=; b=HtCtib/IyIu7ewIiMExa6iKRozIgM6CK17ICJ1rq2ZHgdVyiy8GpAtZAKO75WC1DL3 8kD9vERkZ58D280SKquBQmcUufaErZWcTxSIs5ELS+HV2dvOd/J0KtZ+R0PI4wP7g1Ls II9CsFuFkNswlM+lZdecHj8kHxe4G+Uj+umjQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Le8l0c79dzh1umWC6cvkF5YQiVolWd2PRV23HYSsDHgR9PleP5hmO0R+bmJr8S9Mnc aL/E50sQ5z/dUv3zcNoFLfKQFzTsp54s8rK9OqjHNDq/riLar5DA4sIoFUk9HxSfZCwQ 6ZzSkjyd1kfckgDkCQrSr9x2qfUfJci1PPyH8= Original-Received: by 10.86.79.4 with SMTP id c4mr1821373fgb.7.1229379761647; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:22:41 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.86.74.11 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:22:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <00ad01c95f03$21fae080$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:60655 Archived-At: On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Drew Adams wrote: >> It might also be worthwhile thinking about why vi clones are more >> popular than Emacs. > > Maybe, if specific vi features are found to be important to that popularity and > those features (or similar) might also make sense for Emacs. I think there are other possibilities too. For example it might be that people are used to that some vi program is always available, vi starts up quickly. Or perhaps it is that vi key bindings are perhaps more well-known nowadays. Emacs key bindings tend to clash with cua bindings which probably makes the emacs bindings less wellknown.