From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: learning Emacs Lisp Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:14:50 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87k5bbjzvo.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <1226379475.20507@arno.fh-trier.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1226398546 24291 80.91.229.12 (11 Nov 2008 10:15:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:15:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: "Richard Riley" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 11 11:16:47 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KzqIc-0008Hb-8Q for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:16:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33111 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KzqHU-0004o3-8D for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:15:32 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KzqGu-0004ny-DQ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:14:56 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KzqGr-0004ne-49 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:14:56 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40781 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KzqGr-0004nb-0y for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:14:53 -0500 Original-Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.169]:11586) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KzqGq-0007W6-Hb for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:14:52 -0500 Original-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 36so816840uga.17 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:14:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=tI88rqqt8ImO/N4CmcXhLSIp/5jEBVZM5ddTM3XGBLc=; b=P5K6LN16ZItrIFGeTVk6I6j1SmNQjBElspuWGuVp9iCc5q2+6MmU4qdkPYTv+bjpWO xuVJJdDXUbZHoxoaXUZi8H881INvm7tQJUEMD5S6x4hk1514jCVxrMvUOEECL3DvXsxT ZkrgOZq20Xms20p3f7keixTqVfXtkf3z+CyXw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=vB4SBj+Nq8HCNfJbmuyPWc2amWm6ouoKhqXipNci6A76rRQDQ0D5WQfyuAMRFj+6hj vREy5l/M/kOW45IOlS2zBduUAtDWAccGx5Rxg/ajRFbAnYjAHTuu13dOO86dn15JezG3 Mul2FjthY45OI7mTkkwsY60Uj3DGOy3cpMdGo= Original-Received: by 10.86.80.5 with SMTP id d5mr8199904fgb.7.1226398490456; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:14:50 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.86.65.3 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:14:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:59650 Archived-At: On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Richard Riley wrote: >> That darn old emacs again ! Seriously this has more to do with lisp in >> general than specifically with elisp. I doubt you'd find any _one_ serious >> programmer or author in the whole lisp community who proposes this kind of >> style ( each closing paren on a seperate line ). > > You will notice that I did not propose it. I said the standard is hard > for me to read as someone who is not an eLisp magician. I still do not > understand (other than the reasons I postulated about above) why it is > as it is. I find it very hard to indent and match (ok, emacs helps with > matching brackets), but would find it very difficult to read from a > printout for example. But this is more my lack of experience > possibly. All hindrances can become less so with experience. But would > aligned brackets really hurt anyone? I dont think so. It is convention > (and convention is a good thing at times) which has the style as it > is. Or? I think that most elisp programmers will look at the indentation when reading the code on paper. You can compare with python where only the indentation matters. I do not like that, but the combination of indentation (for the eyes) and parenthesis (for the parser) seems very good to me.