From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggestion: Let the help command load autoloaded functions etc Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:55:30 +0200 Message-ID: References: <47696238.6050601@gmail.com> <476B7BA6.80903@gmail.com> <476B990A.80602@gnu.org> <476BE7C7.2020005@gmail.com> <487DCD68.8050108@gmail.com> <86skuap092.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <487DD512.8080608@gmail.com> <86k5fmozmt.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17606_2559839.1216209330552" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216209381 21773 80.91.229.12 (16 Jul 2008 11:56:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:56:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jasonr@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "David Kastrup" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 16 13:57:09 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KJ5ct-0003E5-QX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:56:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34960 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KJ5c1-0002Yz-Ft for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:56:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KJ5bc-0002P3-KF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:55:36 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KJ5bb-0002Oe-R8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:55:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41265 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KJ5bb-0002OE-Gg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:55:35 -0400 Original-Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.152]:43748) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KJ5bb-0002mb-3c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:55:35 -0400 Original-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so2614713fgb.30 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 04:55:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=wUTYObLtmyCbH201gq/0jSLmVVa4s4/10yqOr20001A=; b=d90uavMXdpsspn2LYn13isyXATT2zmC0YKtjyBKL8IS+hZvNK09HPmd5jnOjTdAZZT AqIYMyvfpT94s1gXuldlyAegKzSgPtQSdbJgWTaOyh6hnzv3QIvCN/iCCYrftodVXW2l 92T2hajkeQfnUGnwuZi7RG+HWKDYN3B3Oi9Ng= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=oUD90BQMV4MBLilS5359njRHTBvoKwRLeLa7kUpM2BXQLgLxAYBEPTjm1WA+q9wn/j tWb0NLMWi5k4CCsoxTuXcmWOlun5jfLaU+h4EOHW38YUBP+P2tj+GAqEQcqyzT58Pdfj gXN2C0QRZ7txVikyr6URDJc0V8BP7c/udpG6Y= Original-Received: by 10.86.60.14 with SMTP id i14mr1890857fga.75.1216209330562; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 04:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.86.66.2 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 04:55:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86k5fmozmt.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100799 Archived-At: ------=_Part_17606_2559839.1216209330552 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 7/16/08, David Kastrup wrote: > > "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: > > > David Kastrup wrote: > >> "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: > >> > >>> Richard Stallman wrote: > >>>> A little milder suggestion just because it is close to X-max: > >>>> How about adding a link that loads the library, something like > >>>> replacing > >>>> > >>>> [Arg list not available until function definition is loaded.] > >>>> > >>>> with > >>>> > >>>> [Arg list not available, _click to load function library_.] > >>>> > >>>> That would be an ok feature, since it would not do anything > automatically. > >>> I forgot this, here is a path for it. Could someone please look at it > >>> and install it if it looks ok? > >> > >> I think the connection in the text between first and second part may be > >> nonobvious to non-specialists. How about > >> > >> [To see Arg list, _click for loading xxx_] > >> > >> With xxx being the autoloaded file name. > > > > I think that will be too long. How about this: > > > > [To see Arg list, _click for loading library above_] > > I think it will usually be longer... And "library above" takes too much > of a double-take, _if_ you don't want the library name, just "library" > will likely be sufficient. Or even just "_click for loading_". I think "_click for loading library_" is my favorite. ------=_Part_17606_2559839.1216209330552 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
On 7/16/08, David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> wrote:
"Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> writes:

> David Kastrup wrote:
>> "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Richard Stallman wrote:
>>>>     A little milder suggestion just because it is close to X-max:
>>>> How about     adding a link that loads the library, something like
>>>> replacing
>>>>
>>>>       [Arg list not available until function definition is loaded.]
>>>>
>>>>     with
>>>>
>>>>       [Arg list not available, _click to load function library_.]
>>>>
>>>> That would be an ok feature, since it would not do anything automatically.
>>> I forgot this, here is a path for it. Could someone please look at it
>>> and install it if it looks ok?
>>
>> I think the connection in the text between first and second part may be
>> nonobvious to non-specialists.  How about
>>
>> [To see Arg list, _click for loading xxx_]
>>
>> With xxx being the autoloaded file name.
>
> I think that will be too long. How about this:
>
>   [To see Arg list, _click for loading library above_]

I think it will usually be longer...  And "library above" takes too much
of a double-take, _if_ you don't want the library name, just "library"
will likely be sufficient.  Or even just "_click for loading_".
 
I think "_click for loading library_" is my favorite.
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