Crappyness of Emacs Version 24.5.1 defadvice

Crappyness of Emacs Version 24.5.1 defadvice

[Davin Pearson]

I have recently upgraded Emacs Version 24.5.1

emacs-24.5-bin-i686-mingw32.zip

I have a bunch of defadvice forms for implementing a d-speedbar
feature that is superior to the built in speedbar feature.

(defadvice describe-mode (around d-speedbar activate)
  (delete-other-windows)
  ad-do-it)

C-h f describe-mode RET says:

:around advice: `ad-Advice-describe-mode'

it used to say:

:around advice: d-speedbar

The old behavior is preferable so I know which file the advice
is coming from.

Re: Crappyness of Emacs Version 24.5.1 defadvice

[Davin Pearson]

On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 5:46:10 PM UTC+12, Davin Pearson wrote:
> I have recently upgraded Emacs Version 24.5.1
> 
> emacs-24.5-bin-i686-mingw32.zip
> 
> I have a bunch of defadvice forms for implementing a d-speedbar
> feature that is superior to the built in speedbar feature.
> 
> (defadvice describe-mode (around d-speedbar activate)
>   (delete-other-windows)
>   ad-do-it)
> 
> C-h f describe-mode RET says:
> 
> :around advice: `ad-Advice-describe-mode'
> 
> it used to say:
> 
> :around advice: d-speedbar
> 
> The old behavior is preferable so I know which file the advice
> is coming from.

Could someone tell me how to get the old behavior back?

Re: Crappyness of Emacs Version 24.5.1 defadvice

[Dmitry Gutov]

On 06/28/2016 08:58 AM, Davin Pearson wrote:

> Could someone tell me how to get the old behavior back?

You can use advice-add instead. It will make the help output better, 
among other things.

Re: Crappyness of Emacs Version 24.5.1 defadvice

[Michael Heerdegen]

Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> writes:

> On 06/28/2016 08:58 AM, Davin Pearson wrote:
>
> > Could someone tell me how to get the old behavior back?
>
> You can use advice-add instead. It will make the help output better,
> among other things.

To say it more clearly: with advice.el, there is no way to get the old
behavior back (unless you load an old version of that file, maybe).

Michael.

RE: Crappyness of Emacs Version 24.5.1 defadvice

[Drew Adams]

> > The old behavior is preferable so I know which file the advice
> > is coming from.
> 
> Could someone tell me how to get the old behavior back?

http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=14734
("REGRESSION: defadvice broken wrt doc strings (C-h f)")

http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=14070
("incorrect doc from `C-h f' when use `defadvice' with `before'")

This post by Stefan provides the rationale behind the new advice
system.  (You might want to read the rest of the thread too.)
http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=16402#31
("Document nadvice.el stuff in Elisp manual before Emacs 24.4")

Re: Crappyness of Emacs Version 24.5.1 defadvice

[Davin Pearson]

On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 2:22:01 AM UTC+12, Drew Adams wrote:
> > > The old behavior is preferable so I know which file the advice
> > > is coming from.
> > 
> > Could someone tell me how to get the old behavior back?
> 
> http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=14734
> ("REGRESSION: defadvice broken wrt doc strings (C-h f)")
> 
> http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=14070
> ("incorrect doc from `C-h f' when use `defadvice' with `before'")
> 
> This post by Stefan provides the rationale behind the new advice
> system.  (You might want to read the rest of the thread too.)
> http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=16402#31
> ("Document nadvice.el stuff in Elisp manual before Emacs 24.4")

I tried the following code but it doesn't work.

(advice-add 'describe-mode
            :around 
            #'(lambda () (delete-other-windows) ad-do-it)
            )

Worse still, it brings up the following message when I try C-h f describe-mode RET

:around advice: No documentation

Where do I add the documentation to the advice mechanism?

Re: Crappyness of Emacs Version 24.5.1 defadvice

[Michael Heerdegen]

Davin Pearson <davin.pearson@gmail.com> writes:

> I tried the following code but it doesn't work.
>
> (advice-add 'describe-mode
>             :around 
>             #'(lambda () (delete-other-windows) ad-do-it)
>             )

There is no `ad-do-it' pseudo variable/whatever in nadvice anymore.  The
functions that are used as a piece of advice are simply called - and
how tells the doc of `add-function', or the manual.

> Worse still, it brings up the following message when I try C-h f
> describe-mode RET
>
> :around advice: No documentation
>
> Where do I add the documentation to the advice mechanism?

Document the function that "is" the advice.


Michael.

Re: Crappyness of Emacs Version 24.5.1 defadvice

[Davin Pearson]

On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 1:56:33 PM UTC+12, Michael Heerdegen wrote:
> Davin Pearson writes:
> 
> > I tried the following code but it doesn't work.
> >
> > (advice-add 'describe-mode
> >             :around 
> >             #'(lambda () (delete-other-windows) ad-do-it)
> >             )
> 
> There is no `ad-do-it' pseudo variable/whatever in nadvice anymore.  The
> functions that are used as a piece of advice are simply called - and
> how tells the doc of `add-function', or the manual.
> 
> > Worse still, it brings up the following message when I try C-h f
> > describe-mode RET
> >
> > :around advice: No documentation
> >
> > Where do I add the documentation to the advice mechanism?
> 
> Document the function that "is" the advice.
> 
> 
> Michael.

Thanks for your helpful advice.  I use defadvice a lot and I am still unsure why Stephen Monier removed that feature.

Re: Crappyness of Emacs Version 24.5.1 defadvice

[Alexis]

Davin Pearson <davin.pearson@gmail.com> writes:

> Thanks for your helpful advice.  I use defadvice a lot and I am 
> still unsure why Stephen Monier removed that feature.

The current Emacs Lisp Reference Manual suggests the new advice 
implementation is simpler (and thus easier for the Emacs devs to 
maintain) and has behaviour that's easier to understand:

https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Porting-old-advices.html#Porting-old-advices


Alexis.

Re: Crappyness of Emacs Version 24.5.1 defadvice

[Davin Pearson]

On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 1:56:33 PM UTC+12, Michael Heerdegen wrote:
> Davin Pearson writes:
> 
> > I tried the following code but it doesn't work.
> >
> > (advice-add 'describe-mode
> >             :around 
> >             #'(lambda () (delete-other-windows) ad-do-it)
> >             )

Why the # character before the lambda form?

Does it do the same thing as (function (lambda () ...))

Re: Crappyness of Emacs Version 24.5.1 defadvice

[Michael Heerdegen]

Davin Pearson <davin.pearson@gmail.com> writes:

> Why the # character before the lambda form?
>
> Does it do the same thing as (function (lambda () ...))

Yes, #'THING is equivalent to (function THING).  For lambda, it's
redundant in Emacs Lisp, since lambda is self-quoting with `function'.
It doesn't harm, though.


Michael.

Re: Crappyness of Emacs Version 24.5.1 defadvice

[Joost Kremers]

Michael Heerdegen wrote:
> Yes, #'THING is equivalent to (function THING).  For lambda, it's
> redundant in Emacs Lisp, since lambda is self-quoting with `function'.
> It doesn't harm, though.

To the eyes it does. ;-)


-- 
Joost Kremers                                   joostkremers@fastmail.fm
Selbst in die Unterwelt dringt durch Spalten Licht
EN:SiS(9)

Re: Crappyness of Emacs Version 24.5.1 defadvice

[Michael Heerdegen]

Joost Kremers <joost.m.kremers@gmail.com> writes:

> > Yes, #'THING is equivalent to (function THING).  For lambda, it's
> > redundant in Emacs Lisp, since lambda is self-quoting with `function'.
> > It doesn't harm, though.
>
> To the eyes it does. ;-)

;-) does even more harm to the eyes.  Better write it as ;-\) to avoid
the unmatched paren.  It doesn't look very friendly any more that way,
but that's second-tier.

Michael.

Re: Crappyness of Emacs Version 24.5.1 defadvice

[Rémi Vanicat]

Davin Pearson <davin.pearson@gmail.com> writes:

> On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 2:22:01 AM UTC+12, Drew Adams wrote:
>> > > The old behavior is preferable so I know which file the advice
>> > > is coming from.
>> > 
>> > Could someone tell me how to get the old behavior back?
>> 
>> http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=14734
>> ("REGRESSION: defadvice broken wrt doc strings (C-h f)")
>> 
>> http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=14070
>> ("incorrect doc from `C-h f' when use `defadvice' with `before'")
>> 
>> This post by Stefan provides the rationale behind the new advice
>> system.  (You might want to read the rest of the thread too.)
>> http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=16402#31
>> ("Document nadvice.el stuff in Elisp manual before Emacs 24.4")
>
> I tried the following code but it doesn't work.
>
> (advice-add 'describe-mode
>             :around 
>             #'(lambda () (delete-other-windows) ad-do-it)
>             )
>

  (defun my-describe-mode-before-advice (oldfun &optional buffer)
    "my documentation"
    (delete-other-windows)
    (apply oldfun buffer))

  (advice-add 'describe-mode :around #'my-describe-mode-before-advice)

Or better with a before advice:

  (defun my-describe-mode-before-advice (&optional buffer)
    "my documentation"
    (delete-other-windows))

  (advice-add 'describe-mode :before #'my-desccribe-mode-before-advice)


-- 
Rémi Vanicat

Re: Crappyness of Emacs Version 24.5.1 defadvice

[Michael Heerdegen]

Rémi Vanicat <vanicat@debian.org> writes:

>   (defun my-describe-mode-before-advice (oldfun &optional buffer)
>     "my documentation"
>     (delete-other-windows)
>     (apply oldfun buffer))
>
>   (advice-add 'describe-mode :around #'my-describe-mode-before-advice)
>
> Or better with a before advice:
>
>   (defun my-describe-mode-before-advice (&optional buffer)
>     "my documentation"
>     (delete-other-windows))
>
>   (advice-add 'describe-mode :before #'my-desccribe-mode-before-advice)

No need to repeat the argument list of the original function if you
don't use the arguments in the body:

(defun my-describe-mode-before-advice (&rest _ignore)
   "my documentation"
   (delete-other-windows))


Michael.

Fwd: Crappyness of Emacs Version 24.5.1 defadvice

[Andreas Röhler]

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Hi,

have a function which needs to trigger some cleanup when done - removing 
temporary files.

Understand it being a case to advice it. As we have some users with 
Emacs 23 still

a change in advice.el of Emacs 24.4 goes into the way.

Forward this message, as there seem to be others too stumbling over this.
Also reading in NEWS.24

** `defadvice' does not honor the `freeze' flag and cannot advise
special-forms any more.

Maybe switching back might not break anything and being recommendable?

There exists nadvice.el still for the folks needing the most advanced.

Just a question,

Andreas



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Subject: 	Crappyness of Emacs Version 24.5.1 defadvice
Date: 	Sun, 26 Jun 2016 22:46:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: 	Davin Pearson <davin.pearson@gmail.com>
To: 	help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Newsgroups: 	gnu.emacs.help



I have recently upgraded Emacs Version 24.5.1

emacs-24.5-bin-i686-mingw32.zip

I have a bunch of defadvice forms for implementing a d-speedbar
feature that is superior to the built in speedbar feature.

(defadvice describe-mode (around d-speedbar activate)
   (delete-other-windows)
   ad-do-it)

C-h f describe-mode RET says:

:around advice: `ad-Advice-describe-mode'

it used to say:

:around advice: d-speedbar

The old behavior is preferable so I know which file the advice
is coming from.


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