From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kevin Rodgers Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 15:27:36 -0700 Message-ID: References: <54321A2A-3F36-4416-B473-49AC11FF057F@gmail.com> <853bk5gwa8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <792D87C1-B9A9-495E-9335-7139845D1CB0@gmail.com> <85fyo4zvei.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87sls47lvd.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <85wthftsme.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1136586533 3051 80.91.229.2 (6 Jan 2006 22:28:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 22:28:53 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 06 23:28:52 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ev04n-0005fS-S2 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 23:28:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ev06a-0000BU-Vg for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:30:40 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ev06C-00006n-3L for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:30:16 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ev068-00004s-7V for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:30:12 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ev067-0008WK-8s for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:30:11 -0500 Original-Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1Ev07w-0004fE-11 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:32:04 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ev047-0005UZ-1d for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 23:28:07 +0100 Original-Received: from 207.167.42.60 ([207.167.42.60]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 23:28:07 +0100 Original-Received: from ihs_4664 by 207.167.42.60 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 23:28:07 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 20 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.167.42.60 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041105) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:32512 Archived-At: Tim McNamara wrote: > If the goal is to promote freedom for computer users and to change the > world for the better, As I understand it, that is not the goal. The goal is promote freedom of software use, for both users and (more to the point) developers. In doing so, the world is changed for the better. > then attention must be paid to the useability of > free software and removing the obstacles to adoption by the > mainstream. If the goal is to carve out some morally superior stance, > then by all means carry on as you are. As far as I can tell, that's > all the current approach is going to get you. The morally superior stance is what has attracted people to develop more useful software, which has been widely adopted. Whether it is mainstream or not is irrelevant. -- Kevin