From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christian Schlauer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Better default values for tooltip padding and `tooltip-hide-delay'? Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:33:22 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87fyr77paq.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <200510112320.j9BNKDn09363@raven.dms.auburn.edu> Reply-To: cs-usenet@arcor.de NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1129153186 23381 80.91.229.2 (12 Oct 2005 21:39:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 12 23:39:44 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPoHv-0001no-NM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:37:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPoHt-0006Wq-MK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:37:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EPoHd-0006WQ-R2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:37:10 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EPoHa-0006VC-Bf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:37:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPoHa-0006V5-5k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:37:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1EPoHZ-0007gt-By for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:37:05 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EPoFR-0000yC-9V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:34:54 +0200 Original-Received: from chrsc2.ikp.liu.se ([130.236.36.138]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:34:53 +0200 Original-Received: from cs-usenet by chrsc2.ikp.liu.se with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:34:53 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 31 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: chrsc2.ikp.liu.se User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (windows-nt) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:43947 Archived-At: Luc Teirlinck writes: > In the extremely rare instances where I use the Emacs menu bar, I find > many of the provided help-echo messages very useful and often > absolutely necessary for a correct understanding. I agree with you. > This entire thread is about the fact that tooltips popping up in your > face are annoying. I don't agree. Only in Ediff-mode they are annoying, otherwise I find them just too big ;-) > I know, that is why I disable Tooltip Mode. I get exactly the same > text in the echo area, where it does not annoy me. But do you read them in the echo area? I disabled tooltip-mode, but I'm not used to move my eyes up and down between the mouse pointer somewhere in the buffer to the corresponding tooltip displayed in the echo area. This is really inconvenient, IMHO. So turning off tooltip-mode means that I won't have any use of them: too much eye work to read them down there! (I'm surprised that it is a big difference (for me) between moving the eyes from left to right over a distance of about 70 characters (i.e., reading -> easy) and moving the eyes up and down over a distance of about 43 rows (i.e., reading the tooltips of toolbar icons in the echo area -> uncomfortable).) -- Christian Schlauer