From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christian Schlauer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Better default values for tooltip padding and `tooltip-hide-delay'? Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:06:42 +0200 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: cs-usenet@arcor.de NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1129057872 30210 80.91.229.2 (11 Oct 2005 19:11:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:11:12 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 11 21:11:11 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPPUf-0004AL-QX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:08:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPPUf-0003QP-2m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:08:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EPPU7-0003IZ-5r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:08:23 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EPPU5-0003HE-Fv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:08:22 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPPU5-0003H6-2W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:08:21 -0400 Original-Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1EPPU4-0004MG-T9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:08:21 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EPPSV-0003Ts-64 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:06:43 +0200 Original-Received: from chrsc2.ikp.liu.se ([130.236.36.138]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:06:43 +0200 Original-Received: from cs-usenet by chrsc2.ikp.liu.se with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:06:43 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 44 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: chrsc2.ikp.liu.se User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (windows-nt) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:43885 Archived-At: Hello, I'll try to summarize what has been discussed in this thread. (You can find the whole thread under .) The following things were proposed/discussed: 1. Change `tooltip-hide-delay' (the display time of tooltips) from 10 seconds to 4 seconds. Suggested by me, Frank Schmitt and Drew Adams agreed, but met a lot of resistance after that. It was changed from 5 seconds to 10 seconds in October 2001, see . 2. Scale the tooltip face to 75 %. Suggested by Andreas Schwab, tested by me, I suggested 80 %, but Lennart, Drew and Stefan want to keep the current size (100 %). 3. Reduce the `padding' of the tooltips, i. e. change `(internal-border-width . 5)' in `tooltip-frame-parameters' to 2. Suggested by me and supported by Drew, Frank, Lennart, and Richard. Jason said one should check how GNOME does this and follow them, but Richard answered that it is not necessary to follow GNOME. 4. Placement of tooltips above or below mouse pointer? Most other applications place the tooltip below the mouse, but David has a point when he writes "it is a reasonable guess that I have already read the stuff above the mouse point, but not yet below" and thus prefers the current behaviour. My conclusion from this is that it is best to keep almost everything as it is, except for point 3, the `padding' of the tooltips. No one was against that change. Can this be changed? Regards, -- Christian Schlauer