From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kevin Rodgers Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Qs on key-description, substitute-command-keys Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 10:23:43 -0600 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1128529989 16857 80.91.229.2 (5 Oct 2005 16:33:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:33:09 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 05 18:33:07 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENCAD-0005xG-Qe for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 18:30:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENCAB-0001aN-NB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 12:30:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ENC7R-0000j3-5n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 12:27:49 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ENC7P-0000hu-DP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 12:27:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENC7P-0000hq-9W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 12:27:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1ENC7P-0000u0-2F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 12:27:47 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ENC68-0004fo-90 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 18:26:28 +0200 Original-Received: from 207.167.42.60 ([207.167.42.60]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 18:26:28 +0200 Original-Received: from ihs_4664 by 207.167.42.60 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 18:26:28 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 41 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.167.42.60 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041105) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:43579 Archived-At: Drew Adams wrote: > Why was the output from `key-description' and `substitute-command-keys' > changed to use angle brackets around simple key sequences like S-tab? I would guess to make them consistent with kbd, insert-kdb-macro, edit-kbd-macro, and view-lossage. > I have, for instance, a help string that looks like this when displayed: > (S-tab or TAB: list, C-h: help). I mean, that's what it looks like in Emacs > 20 - in Emacs 22, the first key sequence is shown as , while the > others remain simple, without angle brackets. TAB (aka C-i) and C-h are ASCII characters and thus are categorized as keyboard events. is a function key, and is a modified function key. > I'm sure there are good reasons why this was changed, but I'm curious why. > > Is there another standard function I can call, perhaps in combination with > `substitute-command-keys', to get the simpler representation, S-tab, from > the less readable ? Or should I just roll my own? The Keyboard Events node of the Emacs Lisp manual says "The 2**25 bit in the character code indicates an ASCII control character typed with the shift key held down." So if you want a Shift-TAB, try (kbd "S-TAB"), [(shift ?\t)], or [?\S-\C-i]. > Also, is there a good way to control which of several key bindings for a > command is output by `substitute-command-keys'? The only way I've found is > to make sure that the one I want is the last of the key sequences for that > command defined in the map - and that's not always feasible. I found nothing > in the manual about which binding is displayed or how to control that. -- Kevin Rodgers