From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Why does show_help_echo call substitute_command_keys? Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 07:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <4f821efa-1448-8ba0-d164-abeff36180d4@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1500648975 30977 195.159.176.226 (21 Jul 2017 14:56:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 14:56:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs developers To: Yuri Khan , =?utf-8?B?Q2zDqW1lbnQgUGl0LUNsYXVkZWw=?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 21 16:56:08 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dYZLW-0007JV-70 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 16:56:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43596 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dYZLb-0002vN-RA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 10:56:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43556) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dYZKZ-0002tf-Pq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 10:55:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dYZKY-00082W-HH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 10:55:03 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:20342) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dYZKY-00080o-6a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 10:55:02 -0400 Original-Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v6LEsw4K018364 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Jul 2017 14:54:58 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v6LEswRo020507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Jul 2017 14:54:58 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0007.oracle.com (abhmp0007.oracle.com [141.146.116.13]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v6LEsvv5007555; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 14:54:58 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6770.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.69 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:216919 Archived-At: > > Ok. So we don't expect callers to explicitly use substitute-command-key= s > on their help-echo properties? >=20 > Imagine if it were so. >=20 > You add a button to the tool bar, with a help-echo property containing > tooltip text with command keys substituted at the time of addition. >=20 > The user rebinds the command to another key. Your button retains its > (now inaccurate) tooltip text. Which just means that your code isn't good enough. If you hard-code a `help-echo' property to ANYTHING and some later changes make that value no longer appropriate...