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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:305719 Archived-At: --8ec9c90af9bd4a428b790d897d4a87a8 Content-Type: text/plain On Sat, Apr 29, 2023, at 1:13 PM, Philip Kaludercic wrote: > Dmitry writes: > > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2023, at 9:45 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> > Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2023 03:52:48 +0300 > >> > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org, joaotavora@gmail.com > >> > From: Dmitry Gutov > >> > > >> > But that's the thing: upgrading to a recent version of Eglot is not only > >> > for the more advanced user. Those can easily go the 'M-x list-packages > >> > C-s eglot i x' route. > >> > > >> > It is those who do the minimum customization and/or are just introduced > >> > to Emacs, can miss out with more likelihood the longer the steps to > >> > upgrade Eglot are going to be. > >> > >> At the risk of sounding like a broken record: introducing a new > >> command for upgrading Eglot has the same problem as the original one: > >> users of Emacs 29 will need to use a different procedure for upgrading > >> Eglot than they used before. > > But users of Emacs 28- would be able to use it too. So at least the docs could list just one method. > > But they don't need it, because package-install does the right thing to > begin with? > By default, package-install indeed "does the tight thing". But it doesn't upgrade the already-installed package. --8ec9c90af9bd4a428b790d897d4a87a8 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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On Sat, Apr 29, 2023, at 1:13 PM, Philip Kaludercic wrote= :
Dmitry &l= t;dmitry@gutov.dev> writes:

> On Sat, Apr 29, 2023, at 9:45 AM, Eli Z= aretskii wrote:
>> > Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2023 03:52= :48 +0300
>> > From: D= mitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev= >
>> > 
>> > But t= hat's the thing: upgrading to a recent version of Eglot is not only = ;
>> > for the more advanced user. Those can easi= ly go the 'M-x list-packages 
>> > C-s eglot= i x' route.
>> > 
>> &g= t; It is those who do the minimum customization and/or are just introduc= ed 
>> > to Emacs, can miss out with more li= kelihood the longer the steps to 
>> > upgra= de Eglot are going to be.
>> 
>= ;> At the risk of sounding like a broken record: introducing a new
>> command for upgrading Eglot has the same problem as= the original one:
>> users of Emacs 29 will need to= use a different procedure for upgrading
>> Eglot th= an they used before.
> But users of Emacs 28- would be = able to use it too. So at least the docs could list just one method.
=

But they don't need it, because package-instal= l does the right thing to
begin with?

By default, package-install indeed "does the tight= thing". But it doesn't upgrade the already-installed package.
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