From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Increase minimum required GTK versions? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:235141 Archived-At: On 4/8/19 9:15 AM, Glenn Morris wrote: > I also have no problem with > dropping RHEL6 support in Emacs 27 if it makes maintenance significantly > easier.) That would be a bridge too far. Several of the servers in my school are still running RHEL 6, and people build and install recently-released software like Emacs on them. Although I don't know of any servers at UCLA still running RHEL 5, my department's main server is still running Solaris 10 (released 2005, "Extended Support" through 2021) and current Emacs is still relevant on that platform, at least to me. I don't doubt there are still people running RHEL 5 (released 2005, "Extended Life Cycle support" through 2020) and I suspect it's possible that some of them might like to run current Emacs. Emacs and most other GNU packages still run on Solaris 10, and it would feel odd for a GNU package like Emacs to support a mostly-proprietary system like Solaris for longer than it supports a mostly-free system like Red Hat. That being said, Emacs still supports Windows 95 (originally released 1995, "extended support" through 2001) so there is a precedent for Emacs supporting an old proprietary platform better than an old mostly-free platform. How much easier is it to drop support for RHEL 5 now, as opposed to doing it next year when Red Hat stops supporting it?