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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248750 Archived-At: On 03.05.2020 21:58, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Cc:monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,tomas@tuxteam.de,rms@gnu.org, >> emacs-devel@gnu.org >> From: Dmitry Gutov >> Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 20:42:52 +0300 >> >> Regardless of whether I regularly use the manual or not, it's not okay >> to dismiss subpar code completion experience just because we have >> separate commands that also do a more free-form search. > Once again: I don't dismiss it, I'm trying to show that it's > sub-optimal for some jobs, in particular for discovery. It's generally the fastest way available (especially since with automatic code completion, it's often a side-effect of typing). If the user tries it and it doesn't give a good result, they move on to the next one. But if we improve the percentage where the first one gives good results, it's an overall win in usability.