From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: arnuld fraser Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: newbie needs help Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:03:47 +0530 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0222951359==" X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1137998057 28683 80.91.229.2 (23 Jan 2006 06:34:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 06:34:17 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 23 07:34:15 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F0vHI-0002iE-Hm for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:34:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F0vJv-0002KV-2V for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:36:55 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1F0vJZ-0002E8-Aw for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:36:33 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1F0vJY-0002Bi-1W for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:36:32 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F0vJX-0002BR-SC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:36:31 -0500 Original-Received: from [66.249.82.193] (helo=xproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F0vOE-00033a-Mi for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:41:22 -0500 Original-Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t11so642360wxc for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:33:47 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=dS5tvxrkFY4svLBfMdHSB2L/WrJBP1ujauujANFMWHsVzeayDxJPS/f6pxMaqU8/9+Y9N/zj4S+AjzWbmsWcQJqhmekhIvIfG2bIW+Hm2fqlUVzRKlBFdxNrX+/13/vQrr1BnZ1LkRC5xK6EiIG6Mv88VRDkZx5ZsybaruKE5as= Original-Received: by 10.70.103.13 with SMTP id a13mr5034716wxc; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:33:47 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.70.103.14 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:33:47 -0800 (PST) Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:32790 Archived-At: --===============0222951359== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_28459_20617657.1137998027540" ------=_Part_28459_20617657.1137998027540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline hello everyone, i am posting this mail here because i did not find any Emacs-LISP mailing-list/newsgroup. I want to start a new language and i want to know if learnig Emacs-LISP is also useful as a way to start earning ( except thta it is fun using Emacs-LISP). I know it is a full language like "python" and "C" . i read some pages of "An introduction to programming in Emacs LISP" by Mr. Chassell and i liked it, that was a great time. I am asking because i need to earn and at the same time i want to keep fun in programming. explanatio= n on question is little bit lengthy, but i will really feel thankful to you if you may spend some of your important time. thanks. ---------------------------------------------------------- i have 2 very simple questions. After asking my questions i will explain them a little bit so that your answer can be personalised according to my purpose, understanding-level and choices. Q: should i start SCHEME, Emacs-LISP, some other LISP (& which implementation) or RUBY? will learning Emacs-LISP help me to start earning? Q; which books (for RUBY i already have the answer)? 1. presently i am learning through HTDP. i am working at part-2 for now and within next 3 months i will finish this book. In the "preface" of the book it is very clearley written : -- HTDP does not teach "how to programme in scheme" but trather it teaches students "how to design programmes" hence for this purpose it uses only a small number of scheme constructs and a dozen or so basic scheme functions= . someone who wishes to use scheme a sa tool will need to read additional material-- that's ok because i did not pick that book for learning scheme. My intentions match the title of HTDP. anyway, from experience with this book i know that by the time i will finish this book i will have a good knowledge of scheme language (around 40%). 2. now since i have a good amount of knowledge of how scheme language works i want to know whether i should start scheme or LISP , if LISP then which LISP? i prefer a language which has greater prectical orientation & that is the one reason i am posting this question since i do not know. 2nd reason is I am not so good at Mathematics. i am Bachelor of Science, so i know more Maths than other people but still i am not so good. On the contray i love to programme & enjoying my time through HTDP. 3. 3rd reason is i want to start working on software-projects as soon a= s possible because my father is going to be retired by the end of 2007 hence i need to start earning before time is over.also "professional life" is exactly opposite to 'student life" . from experience as a "salesman" i kno= w that student life is 'dream-world', it is not real, it is not intended to be. 4. i have a friend in England he is coming to INDIA in march month, by that time i will be on the last parts of the HTDP. he asked me i= f i want to have any more books (that is how i had HTDP). it saves my 'shipment expense'. that way i can save my money. pretty much for a jobless person. that is why i am posting this question now, rather than wainting t= o finish HTDP. so i sum-up 1.will go through HTDP hence 40% of scheme languge is done there. (so will not be a newbie like at present) 2. a language which is useful for earning (i mean real-life projects) . 3. not so good at Maths but love to programme. 4. must stand independent by the end of 2007 because of father's retirement. -- & in the end what books to follow? thanks "arnuld" ------=_Part_28459_20617657.1137998027540 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline hello everyone,

i am posting this mail here because i did not find any Emacs-LISP mailing-l= ist/newsgroup.

I want to start a new language and i want to know if learnig Emacs-LISP is also useful as a way  to start earning ( except thta it is fun using Emacs-LISP). I know it is a full language like "python" and= "C" . i read some pages of  "An introduction to programming in Emacs LISP" by  Mr.  Chassell and i liked it, that was a great time. I am asking because i need to earn and at the  same time i want to keep fun in programming. explanation on question is little bit lengthy, but i will really feel  thankful to you if you may spend some of your important time.

thanks.
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  i have 2 very simple questions. After asking my questions i will explain them a little bit so  that your answer can be personalised according to  my purpose, understanding-level and choices.


Q: should i start SCHEME, Emacs-LISP, some other LISP (& which implementation) or RUBY? will     learning Emacs-LISP help me to start earning?

Q; which books (for RUBY i already have the answer)?


1.       presently i am learning through HTDP. i am working at part-2 for now and within next 3 months  i will finish this book. In the "preface" of the book it is very cl= earley written :

-- HTDP does not teach "how to programme in scheme" but trather i= t teaches students "how to  design programmes" hence for this purpose it uses only a small number of scheme constructs and a  dozen or so basic scheme functions. someone who wishes to use scheme a sa tool will need to read  additional material--

that's ok because i did not pick that book for learning scheme. My intentions match the title of  HTDP. anyway, from experience with this book i know that by the time i will finish this book i  will have a good knowledge of scheme language (around 40%).


2.       now since i have a good amount of knowledge of how scheme language works i want to know  whether i should start scheme or LISP , if LISP then which LISP? i prefer a language which has  greater prectical orientation & that is the one reason i am posting this question since i do not  know. 2nd reason is I am not so good at Mathematics. i am Bachelor of Science, so i know more  Maths than other people but still i am not so good. On the contray i love to programme & enjoying  my time through HTDP.


3.     3rd reason is i want to start working on software-projects as soon as possible because my  father is going to be retired by the end of 2007 hence i need to start earning before time is  over.also "professional life" is exactly opposite t= o 'student life" . from experience as a  "salesman" i kno= w that student life is 'dream-world', it is not real, it is not intended to be.

4.            i have a friend in England he is coming to INDIA in march month, by that time i will be on the  last parts of the HTDP. he asked me if i want to have any more books (that is how i had HTDP). it  saves my 'shipment expense'. that way i can save my money. pretty much for a jobless person. that  is why i am posting this question now, rather than wainting to finish HTDP.

so i sum-up

   1.will go through HTDP hence 40% of scheme languge is done the= re. (so will not be a newbie  like at present)

   2. a language which is useful for earning (i mean real-life pr= ojects) .

   3. not so good at Maths but love to programme.
 
   4. must stand independent by the end of 2007 because of father= 's retirement.


-- & in the end what books to follow?


thanks

"arnuld"


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