From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rusi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Getting Emacs to play nice with Hunspell and apostrophes Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1402971323 24503 80.91.229.3 (17 Jun 2014 02:15:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 02:15:23 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 17 04:15:18 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Wwivc-00077V-Ux for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 04:15:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46993 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wwivc-0007p4-ID for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 22:15:16 -0400 X-Received: by 10.66.217.170 with SMTP id oz10mr2503315pac.9.1402971130385; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:12:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.20.233 with SMTP id q9mr543486ige.8.1402971130142; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!r2no470045igi.0!news-out.google.com!qf4ni5igc.0!nntp.google.com!r2no470042igi.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=59.95.27.202; posting-account=mBpa7woAAAAGLEWUUKpmbxm-Quu5D8ui Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 59.95.27.202 User-Agent: G2/1.0 Injection-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 02:12:10 +0000 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:206022 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:98293 Archived-At: On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 7:12:11 AM UTC+5:30, Garreau, Alexandre wrote: > On 2014-06-14 at 16:51, Yuri Khan wrote: > > The GCC error messages in the en_US.utf8 locale, on the other hand, do > > use curly quotes. > Indeed, just because =E2=80=9Ccomputer English=E2=80=9D is made for compu= ters, not human > beings, who prefer to have readable text, just like it was before > typewriters. > > OK, I do not suggest that Perl should drop its backtick operator or > > that computer languages universally start using curly quotes for > > character and string literals (although that would make many languages > > more elegant by simplifying parsing). But how about we reserve all > > these artificial characters for computer languages, one of which > > English is not. > Having more language neutral programming languages would be cool, even > languages based on semantic interpretation of binary data that would > move the complexity of syntactic representation of its content from data > toward editor would be really more useful, clean, simple, egalitarian, > etc. Interesting thread that I missed=E2=80=A6 As a noob member of the =C2=ABenthusiastically embrace unicode=C2=BB camp= =20 Ironically I was introduced to the possibility of using unicode by gmail tantalizingly showing me an =E0=A4=85 [devanagari letter A] Later on however Ive found gmail too clever in how it transliterates eg a into =E0=A4=85. emacs is more predictable. So now I type into emacs and paste in= to gmail if necessary. So I'd like to express my thanks that emacs is doing unicode very well And now that programming languages =E2=80=94 the original fort=C3=A9 of ema= cs =E2=80=94 are beginning to get out of ASCII-hell, here are two of my blog posts. I started by writing=20 http://blog.languager.org/2014/04/unicoded-python.html to express my wishlist (for python) for getting out of ASCII-prison=20 and into what you call a more 'neutral' frame=C2=B9 Discovered later that Haskell is already doing some of this http://blog.languager.org/2014/05/unicode-in-haskell-source.html [And a good deal more] And finally APL is making a resurgence: http://baruchel.hd.free.fr/apps/apl= / > > Otherwise, primarily, the material will be read by a human being, and > > only secondarily in a computer program. I wish for a future where the > > Web replaces the printed book, therefore, the Web must do all things > > books do, and then some. > I hope that by =E2=80=9Cthe Web=E2=80=9D you mean =E2=80=9Cthe concept of= the ensemble of linked > interpreted documents to read shared by the medium of computer networks > and read on computers interfaces=E2=80=9D, not the poor current implement= ation > of it, which is still using obsolete and despotic client=E2=80=93server m= odel > (, ). > > Yes, LaTeX does a lot to produce a beautifully typeset printout from > > an ASCII source. This is not enough; I want that same beautiful > > typesetting on screen, in browser, in any page width I happen to have, > > in my favorite typeface and font size, without having to recompile the > > document. And at the same time, it does too much. It has to maintain, > > and document authors have to utilize, a multitude of workarounds that > > are caused by TeX not using Unicode internally. > Having something technically and typographically good like LaTeX, > semantic and interpreted like HTML and language-neutral like > markdown/any-binary-interpreted-format would be great. Yes its important that we start moving to xetex (luatex) where I can directly write =CE=B1 etc than \alpha. Just have to multiply this one char by the 100s that occur in proofs and we should see why the latter is clunky, ugly, unreadable, bug-spreading compared to the former PS [Travelling for a few days so may not respond to responses] =C2=B9 Dare I say 'universal'? As math is the only language approaching universality known to humanity.