From: Rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Getting Emacs to play nice with Hunspell and apostrophes
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:12:09 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <dc5cbbfa-1ac1-4e60-ba08-3355c37695ca@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3187.1402155569.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 7:12:11 AM UTC+5:30, Garreau, Alexandre wrote:
> On 2014-06-14 at 16:51, Yuri Khan wrote:
> > The GCC error messages in the en_US.utf8 locale, on the other hand, do
> > use curly quotes.
> Indeed, just because “computer English” is made for computers, not human
> beings, who prefer to have readable text, just like it was before
> typewriters.
> > OK, I do not suggest that Perl should drop its backtick operator or
> > that computer languages universally start using curly quotes for
> > character and string literals (although that would make many languages
> > more elegant by simplifying parsing). But how about we reserve all
> > these artificial characters for computer languages, one of which
> > English is not.
> Having more language neutral programming languages would be cool, even
> languages based on semantic interpretation of binary data that would
> move the complexity of syntactic representation of its content from data
> toward editor would be really more useful, clean, simple, egalitarian,
> etc.
Interesting thread that I missed…
As a noob member of the «enthusiastically embrace unicode» camp
Ironically I was introduced to the possibility of using unicode by
gmail tantalizingly showing me an अ [devanagari letter A] Later on
however Ive found gmail too clever in how it transliterates eg a into
अ. emacs is more predictable. So now I type into emacs and paste into
gmail if necessary.
So I'd like to express my thanks that emacs is doing unicode very well
And now that programming languages — the original forté of emacs —
are beginning to get out of ASCII-hell, here are two of my blog posts.
I started by writing
http://blog.languager.org/2014/04/unicoded-python.html
to express my wishlist (for python) for getting out of ASCII-prison
and into what you call a more 'neutral' frame¹
Discovered later that Haskell is already doing some of this
http://blog.languager.org/2014/05/unicode-in-haskell-source.html
[And a good deal more]
And finally APL is making a resurgence: http://baruchel.hd.free.fr/apps/apl/
> > Otherwise, primarily, the material will be read by a human being, and
> > only secondarily in a computer program. I wish for a future where the
> > Web replaces the printed book, therefore, the Web must do all things
> > books do, and then some.
> I hope that by “the Web” you mean “the concept of the ensemble of linked
> interpreted documents to read shared by the medium of computer networks
> and read on computers interfaces”, not the poor current implementation
> of it, which is still using obsolete and despotic client–server model
> (<http://thewebmustdie.com/>, <http://secushare.org/>).
> > Yes, LaTeX does a lot to produce a beautifully typeset printout from
> > an ASCII source. This is not enough; I want that same beautiful
> > typesetting on screen, in browser, in any page width I happen to have,
> > in my favorite typeface and font size, without having to recompile the
> > document. And at the same time, it does too much. It has to maintain,
> > and document authors have to utilize, a multitude of workarounds that
> > are caused by TeX not using Unicode internally.
> Having something technically and typographically good like LaTeX,
> semantic and interpreted like HTML and language-neutral like
> markdown/any-binary-interpreted-format would be great.
Yes its important that we start moving to xetex (luatex) where I can
directly write α etc than \alpha. Just have to multiply this one char
by the 100s that occur in proofs and we should see why the latter is
clunky, ugly, unreadable, bug-spreading compared to the former
PS [Travelling for a few days so may not respond to responses]
¹ Dare I say 'universal'? As math is the only language
approaching universality known to humanity.
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2014-06-11 0:04 ` Getting Emacs to play nice with Hunspell and apostrophes Emanuel Berg
2014-06-11 5:23 ` Nikolai Weibull
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2014-06-11 14:24 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-06-11 15:03 ` Nikolai Weibull
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2014-06-11 15:20 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-06-11 16:57 ` Teemu Likonen
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2014-06-11 21:32 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-06-12 5:43 ` Yuri Khan
2014-06-12 12:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-06-12 13:36 ` Nikolai Weibull
2014-06-12 14:48 ` Stefan Monnier
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2014-06-14 1:49 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-06-14 5:45 ` Yuri Khan
2014-06-17 1:09 ` Keyboard layout purpose (was: Getting Emacs to play nice with Hunspell and apostrophes) Garreau, Alexandre
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2014-06-14 11:14 ` Getting Emacs to play nice with Hunspell and apostrophes Emanuel Berg
2014-06-14 14:51 ` Yuri Khan
2014-06-14 15:26 ` Teemu Likonen
2014-06-17 1:42 ` Garreau, Alexandre
[not found] ` <mailman.3651.1402757512.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-06-14 16:13 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-06-16 15:35 ` Joost Kremers
2014-06-17 2:21 ` Garreau, Alexandre
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2014-06-17 2:41 ` Rusi
2014-06-17 3:05 ` Rusi
2014-06-17 1:46 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2014-06-15 2:48 ` Sergio Pokrovskij
2014-06-17 1:30 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2014-06-12 16:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <mailman.3473.1402551809.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-06-14 1:35 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-06-14 2:38 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-06-14 5:19 ` Facts for fans: encodings history (was: Re: Getting Emacs to play nice with Hunspell and apostrophes) Emanuel Berg
2014-06-14 7:37 ` Yuri Khan
2014-06-14 8:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-14 10:46 ` Yuri Khan
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2014-06-14 11:21 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-06-14 7:11 ` Getting Emacs to play nice with Hunspell and apostrophes Yuri Khan
[not found] ` <mailman.3630.1402729917.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-06-14 11:20 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-06-17 2:12 ` Rusi [this message]
2014-06-17 2:33 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2014-06-07 15:39 Nikolai Weibull
2014-06-07 17:43 ` Robert Thorpe
2014-06-07 17:59 ` Yuri Khan
2014-06-07 18:18 ` Nikolai Weibull
2014-06-07 17:53 ` Sharon Kimble
2014-06-07 18:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-07 18:28 ` Nikolai Weibull
2014-06-07 18:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-07 19:59 ` Nikolai Weibull
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