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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249684 Archived-At: On 10.05.2020 19:39, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> A bit less sure about Eglot TBH (or any LSP client), because Emacs has >> a long history of alternative solutions in this field, and it would be >> best not to step on their toes either. > I strongly disagree here: the existence of various implementations of > a feature shouldn't mean that we can't have such a feature in vanilla > Emacs (which would also mean we can't have such a feature enabled by > default). I agree in principle, but enabling it by default is not enough for the feature to work (a language server needs to be installed, a build configuration file created...). And really, do you expect to be able to enable Eglot by default anytime soon?