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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@gmail.com>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>, 6755@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#6755: 24.0.50; Customize buffer is too wide. Put doc string on separate line.
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2019 22:36:23 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <db8fbc61-0816-4750-a04f-62d7a2858849@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABczVwfyLe4wFKKd7gU-E8jgNEg_pAup=ymdrr1yGWbTZHTzCA@mail.gmail.com>

>> FWIW, this enhancement request (or bug report)
>> did not ask for the doc string to be filled.  It
>> asked for it to be moved to its own line.  Those
>> are not at all the same thing.
>
> I see.  When I read the bug report, I thought it was just a suggestion to
> fix the problem of the customize buffer getting too wide.  Perhaps I was
> wrong.

The bug report just asks that the first line of a doc
string be put on its own line, and likewise for :tag
lines.

>> But that's not a fulfillment of _this_ enhancement
>> request (or bug fix).  What's needed for this report
>> is to move the doc string to its own line.  Can that
>> please be done, or at least considered?
>
> May I ask you then, what is the :format option missing for this situation?
>
> For example, if one of the const types of the defcustom you provided
> had the following format-string:
> (const 
> :tag
> "Update `*Completions*' incrementally if already displayed"
> :format "\n%t\n%d"
> t)
>
> then the tag would go to its own line.  And that avoids making the
> customize buffer too wide.

Maybe so, but defcustom writers should not need to worry
about that.  See above.

Imagine if when you do `C-h f' the *Help* buffer stuffed
a bunch of stuff in front of the first docstring line.

That's just obstruction; it just gets in the way.  And
it's not necessary.

Customize should just assume that a docstring has the
honor of being shown starting in column 1.  And the same
for a :tag line.

>> And if you _also_ want to consider filling the doc
>> string (that should be a separate enhancement
>> request), please do _not_ do so systematically.  Let
>> users choose to do that (opt in), with a user option.
>
> I take all the points you raised about the filling option, but I think
> it might be better to at least postpone that discussion.

Filling is not part of this enhancement request (bug
report).  Please don't fill docstrings or :tag lines,
at least not for this bug.  If someone wants to consider
doing that, and open a discussion about it, please file
a separate enhancement request.

When I spoke of authors carefully "formatting" doc strings
I meant that they manually adjust the text and its line
lengths, to fit the convention.  That includes, e.g.,
taking `\\[...]', `\\<...>' and `\\{...}' into account.

Whatever an author implements as the source for a doc
string should be respected.  Likewise, for a :tag line.

If an author wants to use `:format' in this context
she can do so.  She should not be forced to do that
systematically, just to get a docstring or :tag line
to start in column 1, i.e., on its own line.





  reply	other threads:[~2019-09-21 22:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-29 16:29 bug#6755: 24.0.50; Customize buffer is too wide. Put doc string on separate line Drew Adams
2011-07-03 13:17 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-03 14:13   ` Drew Adams
2011-07-03 14:51     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-03 15:12       ` Drew Adams
2011-07-03 15:19       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-04  4:48         ` Drew Adams
2011-07-04 12:24           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-04 16:21             ` Drew Adams
2011-07-05 13:36               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-03 15:25       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2019-09-16 14:54 ` Mauro Aranda
2019-09-16 20:10   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-09-17 12:04     ` Mauro Aranda
2019-09-18 13:26       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-09-21 10:53         ` Mauro Aranda
2019-09-21 14:44           ` Drew Adams
2019-09-21 17:04             ` Mauro Aranda
2019-09-21 22:36               ` Drew Adams [this message]
2019-09-22 14:55                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-22 17:24                   ` Mauro Aranda
2019-09-22 19:11                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-22 12:30           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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2019-09-22 16:09                 ` Drew Adams
2019-09-22 16:57                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-23 10:10                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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2019-09-22 22:56                     ` Drew Adams

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