From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Lee Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs 24: cursor shape is now i Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 20:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1336449316 25991 80.91.229.3 (8 May 2012 03:55:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 03:55:16 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 08 05:55:15 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SRbW5-0007Tn-88 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 May 2012 05:55:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54677 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SRbW4-0006wl-AB for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 May 2012 23:55:12 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!rn12g2000pbb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 89 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.126.112.84 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1336449254 28483 127.0.0.1 (8 May 2012 03:54:14 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 03:54:14 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: rn12g2000pbb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=76.126.112.84; posting-account=bRPKjQoAAACxZsR8_VPXCX27T2YcsyMA User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.168 Safari/535.19,gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:192358 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:84766 Archived-At: On May 7, 6:54=A0pm, Xah Lee wrote: > On May 7, 11:32=A0am, "Drew Adams" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > GNU Emacs 24.1.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.1.7601) of 2012-04-23 on MARVIN > > > started with -Q. > > > I tried with this, which is pretty close, if not identical: > > > In GNU Emacs 24.1.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) > > =A0of 2012-04-23 on MARVIN > > Bzr revision: 108006 > > agustin.mar...@hispalinux.es-20120423103325-xmra3329elgzhmpc > > Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 > > Configured using: > > =A0`configure --with-gcc (4.6) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags > > =A0-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include > > =A0-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src > > =A0-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include > > =A0-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include > > =A0-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include > > =A0-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include > > =A0-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include > > =A0-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include > > =A0-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libiconv-1.13.1-1-dev/include > > =A0-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libxml2-2.7.8/include/libxml2' > > > > it display cursor as i-beam. > > > Are you sure you don't mean the mouse pointer? =A0The cursor (aka text = cursor) is > > what indicates point, which is where text gets inserted. > > > I see the mouse pointer as an I-beam or an arrow, depending on what the= mouse is > > over. =A0But I see the cursor as a box (by default). > > > > Then, if i paste this > > > (setq cursor-type 'box) > > > evaluate it, it has no effect in the display. (but the variable did > > > get set, verified with describe-variable) > > > See above. =A0My crystal ball is trying to tell me that you are looking= at the > > mouse pointer but setting the text cursor type. > > > You change the mouse pointer shape using variable (not an option) > > `x-pointer-shape'. =A0But I don't think it is possible to change the po= inter shape > > on MS Windows. =A0See (elisp) `Pointer Shape'. > > this is very strange. No, it's not mouse pointer. > > in summery, the problem went away. The cursor is now the normal solid > box, even if i load ALL my inits. The problem was happening to GNU > Emacs with -Q. Very odd indeed. > > here's the interesting part. When trying to reproduce this or research > this in more detail, i actually renamed my .emacs (even i have no > reason to, because i was starting FSF's build of GNU emacs, with -Q, > and was reproducible 100%). But anyway, on a whim i renamed my .emacs. > Then, the problem never showed up, no matter what i do or from what > emacs version, nor showing up when i launch my heavily customized > emacs full. > > i think that guy's blog in my previous post has something to do with > it. Certainly a odd problem. Maybe something to do with some lowlevel > rendering/display system on Windows. > > Thanks for all the help. I'll report more if it happens again and i > can reproduce it. > > =A0Xah found the answer. when Microsoft Speech Recognition is on, even in a not listening state, the cursor will be i-beam, even if you start emacs with -Q. Setting cursor-type has no effect, just like the other guy blogged about. (his's problem is when screen magnify is on) Xah