* Bug: spurious change in list indent cursor motion [9.4.4 (9.4.4-dist @ /home/powellj/elisp/org-9.4.4/lisp/)]
@ 2021-05-09 21:17 James Powell
2021-05-09 21:58 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: James Powell @ 2021-05-09 21:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
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I open a new file, /tmp/demo.org, and I start a new list
by typing "<enter>- a<enter>". It appears:
- a
What I expect: my cursor should now be at column 0. This was the
behavior in 9.3.6 and it makes perfect sense.
What happens instead: after upgrade to 9.4.4, the cursor rests at
column 2, under the a.
How do I change the behavior back to the 9.3.6 one?
Facts about it:
- When I start emacs with 'emacs -Q -nw' the bug does not manifest even
in 9.4.4.
- When I paste the 'current state' elisp below into ~/it.el, and start emacs
with emacs -Q -nw, and 'L' in dired to load ~/it.el, the bug does not
manifest.
- I have read the changelog and the manual, with no good result.
- I have an example where the bug does not manifest even in 9.4.4 and
even without running emacs -Q, where the .org file is a little thing
full of lines starting with ':' only (!).
- I tried setting org-adapt-indentation to 't (the default) as it is
an obvious suspect, the bug still manifested.
many thanks,
- James P.
Emacs : GNU Emacs 25.3.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.5)
of 2020-07-07
Package: Org mode version 9.4.4 (9.4.4-dist @
/home/powellj/elisp/org-9.4.4/lisp/)
current state:
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--
James E. Powell, MS
Pronouns: he/him/his
Applied Physics PhD Candidate
Department of Physics
Portland State University
Home page: http://web.pdx.edu/~powellj
Office: SRTC 409B Phone: +1-503-725-8515
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2021-05-09 21:17 Bug: spurious change in list indent cursor motion [9.4.4 (9.4.4-dist @ /home/powellj/elisp/org-9.4.4/lisp/)] James Powell
@ 2021-05-09 21:58 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-05-10 9:51 ` Nicolas Goaziou
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Kévin Le Gouguec @ 2021-05-09 21:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: James Powell; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
James Powell <powellj@pdx.edu> writes:
> I open a new file, /tmp/demo.org, and I start a new list
> by typing "<enter>- a<enter>". It appears:
>
> - a
>
> What I expect: my cursor should now be at column 0. This was the
> behavior in 9.3.6 and it makes perfect sense.
>
> What happens instead: after upgrade to 9.4.4, the cursor rests at
> column 2, under the a.
>
> How do I change the behavior back to the 9.3.6 one?
Short answer: disable electric-indent-local-mode, as suggested in
ORG-NEWS. This will turn RET into the "dumb newline" key which should
never indent, and set C-j as the "smart newline" key which occasionally
indents.
> Facts about it:
>
> - When I start emacs with 'emacs -Q -nw' the bug does not manifest
> even in 9.4.4.
That's surprising; on my setups, with Org 9.4.4, emacs -Q -nw stays at
column 2 after hitting RET.
> - I tried setting org-adapt-indentation to 't (the default) as it is
> an obvious suspect, the bug still manifested.
org-adapt-indentation's determines how TAB and the "smart newline" key
behave:
- t (default): section bodies should be hard-indented,
- nil (to become the default for Org 9.5): nothing should be indented,
- 'headline-data: drawers (e.g. :LOGBOOK: entries and :PROPERTY: blocks)
should be hard-indented, but not regular section text.
With all settings, "- a<smart newline>" indents at column 2, below "a".
As explained above, depending on electric-indent, the <smart newline>
key is either RET or C-j.
Note also that "- a<smart newline><smart newline><smart newline>" goes
back to column 0. (FWIW I think that's a bit unwieldy; going back to
column 0 on the /second/ <smart newline> would make more sense to me, as
it would correspond to a "paragraph break")
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* Re: Bug: spurious change in list indent cursor motion [9.4.4 (9.4.4-dist @ /home/powellj/elisp/org-9.4.4/lisp/)]
2021-05-09 21:58 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
@ 2021-05-10 9:51 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-10 11:25 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2021-05-10 9:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Kévin Le Gouguec; +Cc: James Powell, emacs-orgmode
Hello,
Kévin Le Gouguec <kevin.legouguec@gmail.com> writes:
> Note also that "- a<smart newline><smart newline><smart newline>" goes
> back to column 0. (FWIW I think that's a bit unwieldy; going back to
> column 0 on the /second/ <smart newline> would make more sense to me, as
> it would correspond to a "paragraph break")
It would make it painful to insert a blank line within a list item.
OTOH, on the third newline, you are really out of the list.
Regards,
--
Nicolas Goaziou
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* Re: Bug: spurious change in list indent cursor motion [9.4.4 (9.4.4-dist @ /home/powellj/elisp/org-9.4.4/lisp/)]
2021-05-10 9:51 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2021-05-10 11:25 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-05-10 12:36 ` Greg Minshall
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Kévin Le Gouguec @ 2021-05-10 11:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: James Powell; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:
>> Note also that "- a<smart newline><smart newline><smart newline>" goes
>> back to column 0. (FWIW I think that's a bit unwieldy; going back to
>> column 0 on the /second/ <smart newline> would make more sense to me, as
>> it would correspond to a "paragraph break")
>
> It would make it painful to insert a blank line within a list item.
> OTOH, on the third newline, you are really out of the list.
Fair enough! I figured the current behaviour made it easier to write
"multiple paragraphs" in a single list item, but I was unsure if anyone
actually relied on that. Thanks for confirming this hunch :)
FWIW, during the latest poll somebody suggested making org-indent-line
cycle through "syntactically valid" indentation levels when hitting TAB
repeatedly, like python-indent-line-function; I like this idea.
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* Re: Bug: spurious change in list indent cursor motion [9.4.4 (9.4.4-dist @ /home/powellj/elisp/org-9.4.4/lisp/)]
2021-05-10 11:25 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
@ 2021-05-10 12:36 ` Greg Minshall
2021-05-10 13:08 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Greg Minshall @ 2021-05-10 12:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Kévin Le Gouguec; +Cc: James Powell, emacs-orgmode
Kevin,
> FWIW, during the latest poll somebody suggested making org-indent-line
> cycle through "syntactically valid" indentation levels when hitting TAB
> repeatedly, like python-indent-line-function; I like this idea.
i think (*) the current "master" branch allows you to type "-
fu<RET>-<TAB> *bar" (where the " *" bit means "zero or more spaces").
but, i guess because of folding, it's that sensitive, doesn't cycle when
any non-blank is typed.
(it might be nice if "- fu<RET><TAB>" moved you back to alignment with
the previous line.)
cheers, Greg
(*) i.e., "it works for me".
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* Re: Bug: spurious change in list indent cursor motion [9.4.4 (9.4.4-dist @ /home/powellj/elisp/org-9.4.4/lisp/)]
2021-05-10 12:36 ` Greg Minshall
@ 2021-05-10 13:08 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-05-10 14:50 ` Greg Minshall
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Kévin Le Gouguec @ 2021-05-10 13:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Greg Minshall; +Cc: James Powell, emacs-orgmode
Greg Minshall <minshall@umich.edu> writes:
> Kevin,
>
>> FWIW, during the latest poll somebody suggested making org-indent-line
>> cycle through "syntactically valid" indentation levels when hitting TAB
>> repeatedly, like python-indent-line-function; I like this idea.
>
> i think (*) the current "master" branch allows you to type "-
> fu<RET>-<TAB> *bar" (where the " *" bit means "zero or more spaces").
> but, i guess because of folding, it's that sensitive, doesn't cycle when
> any non-blank is typed.
Right, that allows changing the indentation level of a newly inserted
bullet point; my remark was about changing the indentation level of
regular text, e.g. "- list item<RET><TAB>unindented paragraph".
C-j works well enough when there are only two valid positions (column 2
and column 0); in this situation though:
- foo
- bar
- baz<point>
It would be nice if RET TAB TAB TAB… cycled between columns 2→0→4…, just
like M-RET TAB TAB TAB… cycles between columns 6→2→4…
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