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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250016 Archived-At: On 12.05.2020 20:08, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>>>>> If we don't do any of that, we can't create a publish a user-friendly >>>>>> guide "How to IDE" on our website. >>>>> I don't think we should give up our standards to gain a couple of >>>>> marketing points. >>>> It's usability, not just marketing. >>>> >>>>> It is completely backwards, IMO, to put that cart >>>>> ahead of the horse. We are supposed to develop high-quality software >>>>> first and advertising ourselves second, not the other way around. >>>> We're supposed to make our users' life better. >>> Again, not at any cost, and not by giving up our principles. >> I don't understand what you're saying. >> >> Publishing a better "getting started" guide would go against our >> "principles"? > No, but installing packages that don't adhere to our standards is. Let me try this again. Is installing an otherwise Free Software package, one that doesn't belong to FSF though, against our *principles*? It's certainly not against mine.