From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: uzibalqa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Pressing ? does not allow window scrolling through the list of info commands Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2023 20:19:57 +0000 Message-ID: References: <83bkgoguea.fsf@gnu.org> <837crcgra6.fsf@gnu.org> <83mt07ee2n.fsf@gnu.org> <83cz13ecix.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35726"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Eli Zaretskii , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Yuri Khan Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 07 22:20:54 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qHrwj-00094f-TH for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 22:20:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHrwG-0004q7-5Q; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 16:20:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHrwC-0004pr-Te for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 16:20:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-40138.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.138]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHrw9-0006tb-Jp for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 16:20:19 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1688761210; x=1689020410; bh=1HRxHQFeyYxSdkeZz9l/5TgK3J6Gg3p8QrCV/FWTt3E=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=hsTqjHtC/KvYJWKJYaBUbtpsw8qMLAF+b9hxZ9Y//6zmbsRMIp8doIGC3fSH/so3M o8D/jVo2m3Fh5y9fLl6AZcX95CjExXQvPSKCFIKPHh2e9kFHhMwpWBwIhYlCnEdhGX i84lrq0FUcH6t/zjxoh91nDh4d4cpyQgc9bB2g8mF+kf5FHfesTuUFRM2+pXXep4gC aIeu0YLpyuzxnrXzBH5eVOO0cIY3QLhgscrj1P3CiJV7ptEIaUcSPnpKt9890nW/m2 ByO/vRExGJ/N4rKK54hm4hwAafbwxpc28q01s9v41TgJCjuZWdGB8W+UEJXZs2IIe0 oylcmSo5Pu4MA== In-Reply-To: Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.40.138; envelope-from=uzibalqa@proton.me; helo=mail-40138.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:144200 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Saturday, July 8th, 2023 at 8:11 AM, Yuri Khan w= rote: > On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 at 02:40, Eli Zaretskii eliz@gnu.org wrote: >=20 > > > > And how will we tell the user that 'q' quits? In the echo-area, > > > > perhaps? > > >=20 > > > Echo area, or header line, or mode line, whatever. > >=20 > > Which is what we do now about SPC, and that is deemed not good enough. > > How is showing 'q' there suddenly better? >=20 >=20 > I cannot answer this because you=E2=80=99ve disagreed with the point that > explains it. (Namely, that users expect to be able to read without > having to be told about how to read, and do not expect the help > disappearing when they try to read it.) That had been my experience and I hated it. I never wanted the help to disappear as soon as I try to display it and read it.