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envelope-from=drew.adams@oracle.com; helo=userp2120.oracle.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/10 12:28:17 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:123060 Archived-At: > For example the Melpa package `inform' is activating itsel during > installation (and maybe by restarting Emacs in some situations). The > motivation is: If you are interested you'll have it without much ado > and > if you don't like it any more just uninstall the small package. >=20 > Does it make sense or do you regard this behaviour as impolite? It's generally considered impolite, and is contrary to convention. Loading a library should in general not change most user-observable behavior. It shouldn't change faces, key bindings, actions of existing commands, etc. "Installing a package" does a little bit more than loading a typical library (Lisp file). The main thing package-installing does, which might or might not be done by just loading a library (e.g. `require'), is to establish autoloading for some commands etc. ___ This is, in fact, the very first rule of the Emacs Lisp Coding Conventions: D.1 Emacs Lisp Coding Conventions =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Here are conventions that you should follow when writing Emacs Lisp code intended for widespread use: =E2=80=A2 Simply loading a package should not change Emacs=E2=80=99s editing behavior. Include a command or commands to enable and disable the feature, or to invoke it. This convention is mandatory for any file that includes custom definitions. If fixing such a file to follow this convention requires an incompatible change, go ahead and make the incompatible change; don=E2=80=99t postpone it. https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Coding-Convention= s.html These conventions apply pretty strictly to code to be included in Emacs. And they are offered as guidance for 3rd-party (i.e., user) code.