From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Opaque objects and Emacs documentation Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:35:20 +0300 Message-ID: References: <20200712184908.13140.5739@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20200712184909.BBC61209B1@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <7bf4d6ef-c0ec-43dc-ad5d-f6e81422ad90@yandex.ru> <83zh84m5ws.fsf@gnu.org> <3dd1c224-69b2-40af-5b2e-43a310253632@yandex.ru> <83tuybmtxs.fsf@gnu.org> <859f594b-1343-6d26-e1ac-7157c44eb56c@yandex.ru> <83a6zyk4tt.fsf@gnu.org> <6edffb7d-7708-534f-93ad-bf9180f5e0ed@yandex.ru> <835zamjsvk.fsf@gnu.org> <831rlajock.fsf@gnu.org> <1fcdc463-b3ab-2d32-31d7-904783ae0d81@yandex.ru> <83y2nii6sk.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32626"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 Cc: npostavs@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 17 16:36:00 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jwRSy-0008NK-Ef for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:36:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44348 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jwRSx-00048V-BW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:35:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54324) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jwRSQ-0003hF-Vs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:35:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wm1-x32f.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::32f]:50707) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jwRSP-0002yf-17; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:35:26 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wm1-x32f.google.com with SMTP id c80so15162359wme.0; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:35:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LdUlgZnxGQG0Yjh025YBrqrRn5rs5k3ZIVJYxuGsFGI=; b=il0ucwwbBTs+u6vBcn1TKVfXHLObTb9jt/47L/N+hGt5b3BYIIn0M4qedSFFrxJXnv 6CH6G+2dy1e4AzgDPSIfMAijrOebLuXiZ1AjYogOU0MBRqgrkjtT7OSWYcx7aexv3/O4 pm3LxV7+ib1vl/2qq3bwLBt3MSjqQ/qMhec14u9lsCGS/MqSX60lv5lqC8GtDLCrfDex a4iRSiLG6ogHOBeQa2c8xBfXWAjsui+ZYWYFZq8hb3LTazr/+bPDKR/GBgpBml5/WhwF Cd5j890u17xwkwekrHlT4KmLmzFAWAnswAXEJpyA2T66ua+mR6379GuNd7QQxucPr8Gv GuJw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=LdUlgZnxGQG0Yjh025YBrqrRn5rs5k3ZIVJYxuGsFGI=; b=KSftBusTv5aTS650ty+AVojfzdA6t+e9s/DBO8+X0t4tljbAaEPR4tEv/nzd690G2A eAOeKZgi/Lvrjkcg+PxtZyGAj1d0Mtuf+M2eQqZnmVH171vbXwn19ltWgHYoW6Hlqebz GvbObq3s1jy640Tonc71H7EYE0k0N13CU1atzIx3lvSLOKYKYCfHhuMJcrxa3/Qu8Q8t A8XGdjE+Eq104Zm5ziM/C7/4/AUaWR30k6gHi1Yp2kH+asqV3NH1rLfSdlp6L8BPv5vb 3I+bndmtfRVNk+U1vQ0coMW5KRGWNbEhYTgh0w4VeCFE+Oghh5uS6T8Srvcocmxe5LPy Tj1g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533jjttLF9M8+kvw9LZd5s7KAG46bkNmHfZu0F0a86ZorsHcD5jf TCOXfsykoTctg/Jwv2vLYewa2Y1g X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx0GtItjgjlSgiUGKi0qS7iX0o4//r/BzK2raetvP0ip8pnAL5HR7IT5CsYomQyatifNy5b6Q== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:ac81:: with SMTP id v123mr9329277wme.159.1594996522875; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([109.110.245.170]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 22sm15635426wmb.11.2020.07.17.07.35.21 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:35:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83y2nii6sk.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-US Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::32f; envelope-from=raaahh@gmail.com; helo=mail-wm1-x32f.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.0 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:253024 Archived-At: On 17.07.2020 16:56, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > You are saying that there's no comparable or better way of > implementing this functionality, and I question that. I hope you or > someone else can explain why the way you use generics in project.el is > indeed so much better than the alternatives. I have done a lot of explaining over the last several days. Including some answers relevant to this question. None of that seems to have had any impact. You are welcome to propose a patch that would implement the same observable functionality (a partial one would do), and I'll tell you what's wrong with it.