From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: movemail Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 01:11:11 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: References: <83a83k0yu5.fsf@gnu.org> <1bcddec1-befd-fffc-b5b4-ec7f1e3bd844@cs.ucla.edu> <83shhbyvlw.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1501661487 21163 195.159.176.226 (2 Aug 2017 08:11:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 08:11:27 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 Cc: rms@gnu.org, Emacs developers To: Tim Cross , Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 02 10:11:23 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dcokT-0005An-NJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2017 10:11:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45946 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dcokZ-0007Et-Jh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2017 04:11:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33798) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dcokQ-0007Ec-PP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2017 04:11:19 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dcokP-0000JF-TC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2017 04:11:18 -0400 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:39460) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dcokM-0000GU-3r; Wed, 02 Aug 2017 04:11:14 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB2DD1606F1; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 01:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id vUueXArIZ2tB; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 01:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20E84160719; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 01:11:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id adSLtTZ_Xsqv; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 01:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (unknown [47.153.184.153]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F2DB21606F1; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 01:11:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:217236 Archived-At: Tim Cross wrote: > Do we have any figures on the percentage of users on different platform= s > and of those, how many of them actually need this insecure POP3 > functionality? I would have thought very few users actually need the > movemail feature, especially on non-POSIX systems. I don't know of any figures. Perhaps we could get a feeling for it by hav= ing=20 Emacs warn the user at runtime if movemail is used in POP mode, as this i= s quite=20 insecure. > why is an insecure > pop3 process the only solution or is it really the only solution becaus= e > nobody has put time into a better secure solution? The latter, in the sense that the "better secure solution" is GNU Mailuti= ls=20 (where people have put in the time). Unfortunately GNU Mailutils has not = been=20 ported to MS-Windows. At some point I suppose we should make --with-mailutils the default, at l= east on=20 non-MS-Windows hosts that have GNU Mailutils installed.