From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#25190: Initialization of `dired-mode-map' in by the `dired-x' feature is not safe Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 19:04:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1481598375 15068 195.159.176.226 (13 Dec 2016 03:06:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 03:06:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 25190@debbugs.gnu.org To: Glenn Morris , Alexander Shukaev Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 13 04:06:08 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cGdPr-0002p1-MG for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 04:06:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35024 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cGdPv-0000SL-N9 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 22:06:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60737) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cGdPp-0000S4-Rr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 22:06:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cGdPm-0005w8-Nd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 22:06:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:52772) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cGdPm-0005w3-LT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 22:06:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cGdPm-00050x-9y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 22:06:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 03:06:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25190 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 25190-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25190.148159830619209 (code B ref 25190); Tue, 13 Dec 2016 03:06:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 25190) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Dec 2016 03:05:06 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39938 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cGdOs-0004zl-Fq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 22:05:06 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:40510) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cGdOq-0004zE-UQ for 25190@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 22:05:05 -0500 Original-Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id uBD34sen010989 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2016 03:04:55 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id uBD34sC4019681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Dec 2016 03:04:54 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id uBD34rwX026907; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 03:04:53 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:126962 Archived-At: > > P.S. Just a side question: why `dired-x' is not yet merged into > > dired'? >=20 > Since dired-x hasn't changed qualitatively in 5 years, neither has my > answer to this question. :) >=20 > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2011-03/msg00718.html > (Just IMO.) Yes, well, those (such as Glenn and Stefan) in that thread who claimed to want to keep only a bit of dired-x and toss the rest, claiming that it is only "cruft" are also people who have admitted that they hardly, if ever, use Dired. There are plenty of other people, myself included, who use not only dired.el but dired-x.el and dired-aux.el, all the time. I don't think it's useful to rehash the previous thread, which went nowhere, and certainly not here, in a bug thread that is not related. But we should not particularly be listening to non-users of Dired about tossing parts of it out. (Just IMO.)